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"ICE" is gone!!! for the Mom and POP..... Walmart has taken over!

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#101 - 2013-06-11 17:33:26 UTC
Im playing at ice
But Im finding it hard
She didnt break the wall
She just caught me off guard

Can you see ice in my eyes
Can you see ice in my eyes

Im just a little bit sorry
But I havent decided why
Could it be my memory
Or did I ever really cry

Can you see ice in my eyes
Can you see ice in my eyes

Fill my head with your false feelings
I cant trust anything you say
Today I missed a special friend
That never really cared anyway

Can you see ice in my eyes
Can you see ice in my eyes
Can you see ice in my eyes
Can you see ice in my eyes

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Meytal
Doomheim
#102 - 2013-06-11 17:43:43 UTC
Mining, Ice or Rocks, should involve shooting the target with real weapons. Chunks should break off, scatter, and fly away like the cans in the new Mag and Radar sites. Mining ships should have bonuses, but should use real weapons, have a real tank, and not be a flying coffin. I've shot a fair number of miners, but sometimes it really is too easy when they can't shoot back.

Refining should be based on m3 instead of count, and then the chunks of ice/ore could be variably-sized based on skills and bonuses.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-06-11 19:06:48 UTC
I too agree that ice mining times should be doubled and the spawn rate should be every 2 hours. That said, the price of ice doesn't make it worth mining it right now unless you want to afk. A minute ago, I was the only person in this belt ice mining.

That said, Ice prices don't make it as lucrative to ice mine anymore.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#104 - 2013-06-11 19:10:20 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

That said, Ice prices don't make it as lucrative to ice mine anymore.

Then do something more interesting / profitable.

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Selene Nask
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2013-06-11 19:35:03 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
Robert Saint wrote:
....


There is a set and forget feature. It's called Research/Production. Research and Production takes time. And skill. But mostly time. And a lot of that time is unattended.



Your right if you can find an open research slot in high sec (You wont without a long ling in front of you). Thats why they have POS's but those are obsolete in high sec now because nobody can fuel them in high sec unless your space rich. I believe the goal was to push the player base out to low/null sec which is a good idea but unfortunately your going to see alot of Ice mining accounts unsub (Everyone is selling their Ice pilots).



This is so not true. Yeah some may decide it's too hard to 'change' whatever they were doing before. Others will figure it out. If increased fuel costs are going to have that much effect on research then the market will adjust. This could mean an increase in certain bpo prices if supply goes down. Some may quit researching in the meantime sure. That just means others can take up the slack if they keep aware of whats going on. Eventually prices will adjust themselves down the production line to reflect any overall cost increases. I know a good many POS researchers who planned ahead (like me) once the change was announced to buffer themselves against any short term market adjustments. This sort of thing actually some 'game' to the game. People might actually have to think a bit different then before and not just plod along doing the same old, same old month after month.

The horror of it all.
Sigmundr Rumare
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-06-11 20:50:59 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet.


Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#107 - 2013-06-11 21:00:03 UTC
Sigmundr Rumare wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet.


Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.


So do something about it





WIPE THEM OUT



ALL OF THEM




ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE ONES

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#108 - 2013-06-11 21:54:53 UTC
Sigmundr Rumare wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet.


Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.


Multiboxing does not prevent interacting with other people.
Dave Stark
#109 - 2013-06-11 21:56:18 UTC
Sigmundr Rumare wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet.


Even though I know it's more or less accepted in EVE, I find that the above situation (especially in a MMO, which is entirely based around interacting with other people) is more likely the cause of the issue than the mechanics of ice fields spawning itself.


no, the fact that mining in itself promotes the most antisocial playstyle possible in eve is the issue. mining gets progressively worse the more human players there are in the equation.
Pleasure Bound
Futanari on Safari
#110 - 2013-06-12 01:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Pleasure Bound
I'm sorry but I couldn't read the whole thread as I'm seeing double and it's overwhelming right now but.

I just witnessed a belt in a highly-popular gallente space stripped out of ice by:

- 6 hulks
- 1 orca
- 2 Obelisks

I witnessed it on friendly mostly former ice miner chat. I was running high sec missions at the time.

It was interesting to me because people on that chat were throwing things out like "unfair", I can't compete, and "I don't want to log on anymore because I can't compete due to my limited time, and I don't enjoy anything else in eve right now"

And thus, for the first time in my life I've understood Schadenfreude.

I can enjoy it because those who were afk mining are hurting

and once they quit

I'll enjoy it when the investors ask the CCP managers, what happened to the subscriptions
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#111 - 2013-06-12 01:44:41 UTC
Pleasure Bound wrote:
I'm sorry but I couldn't read the whole thread as I'm seeing double and it's overwhelming right now but.

I just witnessed a belt in a highly-popular gallente space stripped out of ice by:

- 6 hulks
- 1 orca
- 2 Obelisks

I witnessed it on friendly mostly former ice miner chat. I was running high sec missions at the time.

It was interesting to me because people on that chat were throwing things out like "unfair", I can't compete, and "I don't want to log on anymore because I can't compete due to my limited time, and I don't enjoy anything else in eve right now"

And thus, for the first time in my life I've understood Schadenfreude.

I can enjoy it because those who were afk mining are hurting

and once they quit

I'll enjoy it when the investors ask the CCP managers, what happened to the subscriptions

So this is a "other people will unsub" thread.

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Pleasure Bound
Futanari on Safari
#112 - 2013-06-12 01:46:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

So this is a "other people will unsub" thread.


Nothing lasts forever, eventually everyone will get recycled. So, may as well get ready to play with and/or by yourself.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#113 - 2013-06-12 01:49:32 UTC
Pleasure Bound wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So this is a "other people will unsub" thread.

Nothing lasts forever, eventually everyone will get recycled. So, may as well get ready to play with and/or by yourself.

Play with ... myself ?

Guess I'll be unsubbing too.

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Pleasure Bound
Futanari on Safari
#114 - 2013-06-12 01:51:21 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Play with ... myself ?

Guess I'll be unsubbing too.


That was pretty lame...
Nitko Koraka
Flashover Freight
#115 - 2013-06-12 01:58:35 UTC
Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there?
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#116 - 2013-06-12 03:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
Nitko Koraka wrote:
Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there?



That's a fair comment, yet I really don't understand the nature of Low Sec and Null Sec players being angry at players who prefer High Sec game play. There is a huge difference in the stress level of each area, so to bag (not that your comment was a bag, just others) on someone for hanging out in areas that have a bit of protection, just seems closed minded. I respect Low and Null sec players, but I just don't see me going there at my game level, as i just don't like having to watch my back all the time.

In regard to the original post, I was making a statement about ICE being the last true AFK business model where i guy could scale a large fleet and comfortably turn a profit on each account subscription after plexing it. It really didn't require much more time to add another miner, other than the log in. I understand that most posters in here think (based on the responses) that I am JUST ICE mining as a gamer.... and no, like most .... I am building a little empire --- because it's cool and I'm hooked. When i spoke of the Profession, I was speaking about the TOON - as an account, not the gamer who controls it...

I like to mission personally and trick out my rides.
Meis Aminx
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-06-12 04:17:36 UTC
You miss vanilla ice mining?

Sad story.
Nitko Koraka
Flashover Freight
#118 - 2013-06-12 04:56:28 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
In regard to the original post, I was making a statement about ICE being the last true AFK business model where i guy could scale a large fleet and comfortably turn a profit on each account subscription after plexing it


Join Red Frog and run multiple freighters long distances AFK? Station trade high margin/low volume/low competition items? Manufacure? Copy blueprints? There are still many low effort activities that net you decent or great ISK depending on how smart you are (which I am not). I admittedly used to do the AFK thing; I really don't understand it anymore. Play. Interact.
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#119 - 2013-06-12 05:08:46 UTC
Solutions to the OP's problem:

- War dec the corps mining ice.
- Hire mercenaries to war dec the corps mining ice.
- Suicide gank the other players mining ice.
- Join a corp that suicide ganks miners.
- Join the corps mining ice.
- Get there first.
- Build a corp focused on group mining ice, and get there first.
- Mine ice in areas that don't have as much traffic.
- Stop mining ice.

My preference are one and two, as this is emergent gameplay. We are in an MMO, after all. But there are plenty of options available to the op, besides requesting ccp change the mechanics to require less competition.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#120 - 2013-06-12 07:49:54 UTC
Nitko Koraka wrote:
Every ice anomaly I've visited in lowsec has had plenty to mine. Maybe set up shop there?


Ice harvesting in low/null would really benefit from having constellation- or region-wide respawns, rather than certain systems always being known to have ice available.

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