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[ALXVP] War Declaration: Pyre Falcon Defence Combine

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Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#141 - 2013-06-11 22:40:22 UTC
Anslo wrote:

This coming from the woman saying the deaths of people during Colelie were justified because they didn't like what the Federation was doing, that the murder of thousands of Amarrian non-combatants and Caldari non-combatants is justified in your war, that there's absolutely NO Gallente personnel on the ships of a nation-less trans-humanist entity, along with the other endless assumptions you make on here with your MINMATAR BEST **** THE REST leaves you about as credible as an Amarrian priest preaching against hedonism in the middle of a dance in an SM club in Dodixie.

Bets over anyway, they surrendered. I need to cash out to the winner.

By the way, my 'offensive' and sickening Gallente bet seems to have saved more lives by ending the war instead of it dragging on. Can you say the same for your endeavors AND include lives NOT of Matar?



Wow, Anslo. Seriously, wow. What the hell drugs are you taking?

First off, I have never said Colelie was justified. I have, in fact, said the exact opposite, that unless the Tribal Council comes out with a damn good reason for Colelie, there is no justification for what happened at Colelie. What you cited in no way calls the events of Colelie justifiable, merely states that they were very much preventable by the Federation not having their head shoved up their own ass.

And where the **** are you getting the idea that I consider the murder of any non-combatants is justified? Where do you get off on making such an accusation, you worthless Gallentean trash?

My endeavors? My endeavors? You know what I spent nearly a year doing before I returned home to join the militia and fulfill a promise I made to my late husband? I roamed the cluster defending everyone, Gallente, Caldari, Matari, and even Amarrians from Sansha's incursions. Now, you really want to keep up your bullshit lies about me considering non-combatants of any race to be justifiable losses in our war?

What about your endeavors? You lounge around on a beach all day, whining about what other people are doing and placing bets on people's lives.

And, frankly, Anslo, if this sudden vitriol you direct at me is the result of my turning you down when you asked me out on a date recently, you are the most pathetic little man in the universe.
Anslo
Scope Works
#142 - 2013-06-11 22:50:46 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Wow, Anslo. Seriously, wow. What the hell drugs are you taking?

None, had enough of it years ago.

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First off, I have never said Colelie was justified. I have, in fact, said the exact opposite, that unless the Tribal Council comes out with a damn good reason for Colelie, there is no justification for what happened at Colelie. What you cited in no way calls the events of Colelie justifiable, merely states that they were very much preventable by the Federation not having their head shoved up their own ass.

Alright, you didn't say it was justified. And you're right, it was preventable. It was preventable if YOUR people had just cooled heels.

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And where the **** are you getting the idea that I consider the murder of any non-combatants is justified? Where do you get off on making such an accusation, you worthless Gallentean trash?

About the same time you accused me of only caring about Gallentean lives you narrow minded, jingoistic, shoot-firs-task-later, hypocrite.

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My endeavors? My endeavors? You know what I spent nearly a year doing before I returned home to join the militia and fulfill a promise I made to my late husband? I roamed the cluster defending everyone, Gallente, Caldari, Matari, and even Amarrians from Sansha's incursions. Now, you really want to keep up your bullshit lies about me considering non-combatants of any race to be justifiable losses in our war? What about your endeavors? You lounge around on a beach all day, whining about what other people are doing and placing bets on people's lives.

Then stop talking down to the Fed like it's completely their fault and maybe I won't call you out on the **** you say. And what you did in the past doesn't excuse what you say now.Also, come back to me in about 5-ish years when you've caught up with me. Then we can compare historical action.

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And, frankly, Anslo, if this sudden vitriol you direct at me is the result of my turning you down when you asked me out on a date recently, you are the most pathetic little man in the universe.

So you're going to bring out a strawman to rely on downplaying the fact that you're a dangerous, unstable, unwieldy, hypocritical Minmatar? So, because I tried to hit on you, that means I'm completely discredited when bringing up your own short comings, your own vitriol, your own bullshit on the IGS, your own anger, your own venom directed to everyone INCLUDING your supposed allies, and your own baggage?

Oh darn, I am defeated.

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#143 - 2013-06-12 00:02:51 UTC
Goodness. If you two need a room to discuss this in...
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2013-06-12 00:35:16 UTC
I know, right? They make a cute couple.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#145 - 2013-06-12 00:43:14 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
I know, right? They make a cute couple.


Shut up. Where you been?

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Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#146 - 2013-06-12 02:08:32 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Alright, you didn't say it was justified. And you're right, it was preventable. It was preventable if YOUR people had just cooled heels.


Yes, both sides had opportunities to prevent it and neither side took them. Oh look, I can acknowledge blame on both sides rather than only blaming the other person. Grow up.

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About the same time you accused me of only caring about Gallentean lives you narrow minded, jingoistic, shoot-firs-task-later, hypocrite.


Keep it up, kid. You're just making yourself look like an ass accusing me of that kind of ****.

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Then stop talking down to the Fed like it's completely their fault and maybe I won't call you out on the **** you say. And what you did in the past doesn't excuse what you say now.Also, come back to me in about 5-ish years when you've caught up with me. Then we can compare historical action.


I have never once said it is entirely their fault that the event at Colelie happened. However, their behavior in general is their fault, and has been going on since long before Colelie.

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So you're going to bring out a strawman to rely on downplaying the fact that you're a dangerous, unstable, unwieldy, hypocritical Minmatar? So, because I tried to hit on you, that means I'm completely discredited when bringing up your own short comings, your own vitriol, your own bullshit on the IGS, your own anger, your own venom directed to everyone INCLUDING your supposed allies, and your own baggage?

Oh darn, I am defeated.



You haven't brought up any vitriol from me, nor any shortcomings (though I certainly have some), nor anything of any legitimacy whatsoever. And, if I were what you claim me to be, you'd have been well aware of it before you invited me to your beach and asked me out on a date, so apparently, based on your claims, you wanted to date a "dangerous, unstable, unweildy, hypocritical Minmatar."

This isn't a strawman, hon. This is you blatantly throwing a tantrum because the "hot girl" you wanted to date said no.

Go ahead and keep making up your immature bullshit. You're just making yourself look bad.
Anslo
Scope Works
#147 - 2013-06-12 02:57:41 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Yes, both sides had opportunities to prevent it and neither side took them. Oh look, I can acknowledge blame on both sides rather than only blaming the other person. Grow up.

Then why did you focus blame on the Fed and THEN shift your position to CYA?

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Keep it up, kid. You're just making yourself look like an ass accusing me of that kind of ****.

I don't accuse. I just call what I see.

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I have never once said it is entirely their fault that the event at Colelie happened. However, their behavior in general is their fault, and has been going on since long before Colelie.

So you are focusing blame on them. K.

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You haven't brought up any vitriol from me, nor any shortcomings (though I certainly have some), nor anything of any legitimacy whatsoever. And, if I were what you claim me to be, you'd have been well aware of it before you invited me to your beach and asked me out on a date, so apparently, based on your claims, you wanted to date a "dangerous, unstable, unweildy, hypocritical Minmatar."

I don't bother to bring it up because you aren't worth the time to research and dredge up what should be dredged. Your interaction with me and others, as well as the giant chip on your shoulder, speaks the points for me. And yeah, I did wanna date a nut job. Dodged a bullet on that, huh?

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This isn't a strawman, hon. This is you blatantly throwing a tantrum because the "hot girl" you wanted to date said no. Go ahead and keep making up your immature bullshit. You're just making yourself look bad

Yes it is. You're falling back on the date thing to bring attention away from the fake that your acidic. Not more than me but....still. Also, you're funny. The world doesn't revolve around you, let alone mine. You just happened to be inconveniently placed during a wonderful psychotic breakdown from a bunch of other stuff.

But seriously, don't flatter yourself.

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Laurienne 'Quafegirl' Cherbourg
Like Oh My Gosh I Totally Have A Corp Now
#148 - 2013-06-12 07:41:45 UTC
Aw, you guys are gonna have cute kids! ♥

Chilled Quafe™, accept no refreshment substitute. For all of you affluent Capsuleer-types, Quafe Elite™ restaraunts can be found at many stations! Only got a few minutes to spare before that fleet-op? Swing by QuafeSnacks™ for the full taste-experience you've come to expect from Quafe, on the go!

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#149 - 2013-06-12 07:47:23 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Then why did you focus blame on the Fed and THEN shift your position to CYA?


Never did any such thing. If you actually looked at my post history, you'd see for yourself that I never did even remotely what you're accusing me of.

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I don't accuse. I just call what I see.


Even if you do actually see what you're saying, which is rather impossible without you being significantly deluded, you're still making accusations.

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So you are focusing blame on them. K.


Nope, because I don't blame colelie on the Federation, at least not with the current information I have about it. The Federation acted like arrogant idiots throughout it all, but it wasn't there fault that Colelie happened, especially not primarily. That is, unless there's something the Federation did to warrant it that the Tribal Council hasn't revealed yet, but I can't speak to that so long as the Tribal Council keeps quiet.

When I talk about the Fed's behavior in general towards the Republic, I'm talking about why we've grown so disillusioned with the Federation, something you actually agreed with in posts not too long ago, such as when you yourself complained about how the Supreme Court spoke of our tribal courts back when the refusal of extradition was first main known.

It is not in reference to the events of Colelie, however. I'm not going to let you use one bad decision on the part of the Federation to hide behind while you try to brush all of the arrogant, asinine behavior of the Federation under the rug.

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you aren't worth the time to research


Thanks for proving my point, hon.

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Yes it is. You're falling back on the date thing to bring attention away from the fake that your acidic. Not more than me but....still. Also, you're funny. The world doesn't revolve around you, let alone mine. You just happened to be inconveniently placed during a wonderful psychotic breakdown from a bunch of other stuff.

But seriously, don't flatter yourself.



Mhmm, I've heard such whining before from other men I've turned down. It's hardly anything new, especially among men your age.

Well, except for the fact you've taken it to a whole other level with what you've accused me of. I mean, usually they're content to just call me a **** or some other silly thing like that.

But no, you decided to accuse me of approving of wholesale slaughter of non-combatants/civilians when I have spent most of my career as a capsuleer protecting non-coms/civilians, in each of the four empires. In fact, I've spent more time protecting Amarrian and Caldari non-coms/civilians than I have those among my own people, if you want to get exact about it.

As for my task in the militia, I fight to stop the slavers, their allies, and the various pirates around the warzone from preying on more innocent lives, and I neither condone nor willingly allow any of my fellow Matari and allies to commit such crimes.

I'm not capable of stopping it all, not on my own, but I do my part to stop what I can. Yes, I now prioritize helping my own people, but that's in large part due to personal reasons you haven't earned the right to know. And no, it's not because I think Matari are inherently better than everyone else. We have our good traits and our bad traits, just like the Caldari, the Gallente, and even the Amarr.

If I were the person you claim I am, I would simply be out there trying to murder every Amarrian I can find, regardless of what they do or who they are; but that's not what I do.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#150 - 2013-06-12 07:48:57 UTC
Laurienne 'Quafegirl' Cherbourg wrote:
Aw, you guys are gonna have cute kids! ♥


1) As has already been mentioned, I turned him down when he asked me out.

2) I already have a kid.

3) I'm into women, not men.

4) You drink way too much Quafe, hon.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#151 - 2013-06-12 08:03:25 UTC
So the war ended with a fizzle rather than a bang. The lack of bang between Anslo and Katarina seems to have sparked a conflict about equal to the aforementioned war, though, so it's all good. Just scrap a dessie or something and you guys will have surpassed AXELRIPwhatever in destructive power too.

A bit disappointed in the lack of a good public war. Bloodsport, if you will.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Laurienne 'Quafegirl' Cherbourg
Like Oh My Gosh I Totally Have A Corp Now
#152 - 2013-06-12 08:21:32 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:

4) You drink way too much Quafe, hon.


Hey now, that's uncalled for. I was only like, complimenting you on your genetics and stuff.

I'm sad that this means no baby. I love baby showers! ♥

Chilled Quafe™, accept no refreshment substitute. For all of you affluent Capsuleer-types, Quafe Elite™ restaraunts can be found at many stations! Only got a few minutes to spare before that fleet-op? Swing by QuafeSnacks™ for the full taste-experience you've come to expect from Quafe, on the go!

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#153 - 2013-06-12 08:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Jinari Otsito wrote:
So the war ended with a fizzle rather than a bang. The lack of bang between Anslo and Katarina seems to have sparked a conflict about equal to the aforementioned war, though, so it's all good. Just scrap a dessie or something and you guys will have surpassed AXELRIPwhatever in destructive power too.

A bit disappointed in the lack of a good public war. Bloodsport, if you will.


I see what you did there.

Katrina Oniseki

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#154 - 2013-06-12 09:31:08 UTC
The only appropriate move would be to start a betting pool about when or whether those two will hit it off?

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#155 - 2013-06-12 10:00:59 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
The only appropriate move would be to start a betting pool about when or whether those two will hit it off?


Then the whole thing would be cancelled because then it'd be bloodsports? To be a fly on that bedroom wall...

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#156 - 2013-06-12 10:47:04 UTC
Let's cancel this because feelings would be hurt.
[DUTY] won't take part in hurt feelings.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anslo
Scope Works
#157 - 2013-06-12 12:40:08 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Let's cancel this because feelings would be hurt.
[DUTY] won't take part in hurt feelings.


Why you do this.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#158 - 2013-06-12 13:40:24 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Never did any such thing. If you actually looked at my post history, you'd see for yourself that I never did even remotely what you're accusing me of.

Yes. Clearly you're not biasedorhypocritical.

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Even if you do actually see what you're saying, which is rather impossible without you being significantly deluded, you're still making accusations.

See above. I can get more if you want. You denounce murder when you take part in it, you detest those who 'break the peace' when you yourselves did it first. I can keep going?

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Nope, because I don't blame colelie on the Federation, at least not with the current information I have about it. The Federation acted like arrogant idiots throughout it all, but it wasn't there fault that Colelie happened, especially not primarily. That is, unless there's something the Federation did to warrant it that the Tribal Council hasn't revealed yet, but I can't speak to that so long as the Tribal Council keeps quiet.

Based on the above posts linked, you seemed to place a whole hell of a lot of blame saying that the Fed could have avoided it if they'd done x or y. Why couldn't the REPUBLIC have avoided it?

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When I talk about the Fed's behavior in general towards the Republic, I'm talking about why we've grown so disillusioned with the Federation, something you actually agreed with in posts not too long ago, such as when you yourself complained about how the Supreme Court spoke of our tribal courts back when the refusal of extradition was first main known. It is not in reference to the events of Colelie, however. I'm not going to let you use one bad decision on the part of the Federation to hide behind while you try to brush all of the arrogant, asinine behavior of the Federation under the rug.

Yeah, it was crappy how our Courts talked down to the Republic. Not cool at all. Still doesn't warrant an invasion and skirmish of the magnitude that happened. Instead of waiting, you stated that the Fed could have avoided the bloodshed instead of looking at yourselves and asking why the Republic couldn't avoid it. And yeah, we're arrogant. I agree. I don't like how the Minmatar get treated a lot, especially around parts of Caille. So I'm not brushing anything away. I'm pretty transparent. But I'll still call you out for your own BS. It's not because you're Minmatar though, I don't bother with racial bias.


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(1)Mhmm, I've heard such whining before from other men I've turned down. It's hardly anything new, especially among men your age. Well, except for the fact you've taken it to a whole other level with what you've accused me of. I mean, usually they're content to just call me a **** or some other silly thing like that.

(2)But no, you decided to accuse me of approving of wholesale slaughter of non-combatants/civilians when I have spent most of my career as a capsuleer protecting non-coms/civilians, in each of the four empires. In fact, I've spent more time protecting Amarrian and Caldari non-coms/civilians than I have those among my own people, if you want to get exact about it.

(3)As for my task in the militia, I fight to stop the slavers, their allies, and the various pirates around the warzone from preying on more innocent lives, and I neither condone nor willingly allow any of my fellow Matari and allies to commit such crimes.

(4)I'm not capable of stopping it all, not on my own, but I do my part to stop what I can. Yes, I now prioritize helping my own people, but that's in large part due to personal reasons you haven't earned the right to know. And no, it's not because I think Matari are inherently better than everyone else. We have our good traits and our bad traits, just like the Caldari, the Gallente, and even the Amarr.

(5) If I were the person you claim I am, I would simply be out there trying to murder every Amarrian I can find, regardless of what they do or who they are; but that's not what I do.


(1) Doesn't change the fact that it's a strawman. And seriously, you got an ego if you think all my gripes revolve around you. Get over yourself hah.
(2) "Death and war is bad!" Still kills in the name of the Tribes.
(3) OK.
(4) I don't care about your personal laundry or reasons. I see what you say, and I call it out. Your motivations don't concern me.
(5) OK.

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2013-06-12 17:36:48 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
I know, right? They make a cute couple.


Shut up. Where you been?


Busy.

The two of you are behaving ridiculously. This is a thread about the ALXVP-Pyre war. It is not a forum for your private spats, nor a forum to discuss Colelie. While it makes a certain mad sense for Musana to insist on debating Colelie here while refusing to debate it in the Colelie thread, it is still unwelcome. This war was neither of your business. Take it elsewhere.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#160 - 2013-06-12 17:38:55 UTC
What was the final score ?

I missed it, due to watching that holo-vision show, with the thing that does stuff.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.