Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello there,

I am sure that while some people might enjoy the 0.01 isk war on the market, many more are, like me, annoyed by this mechanic. So here is an idea of mine that could put an end to it and make the undercutting game a bit more meaningful.

I would like to get an undercutting/outbidding threshhold.

That would mean that if you want to undercut (or outbid) someone, you would have to do it by a minimal amount (like 1% difference at least).

If you don't want to undercut/outbid by that amount, then you have to sell/buy at the same price, with the older order being filled first.

Of course, this would only apply to the highest buy / lowest sell order.

Only orders that cover the same area (be it a station or a region) would count of course. Here is an exemple to clarify this:

Player A has set a buy order for 100 isk/u in station 1, limited to that station.
In station 2, player B could set up a regional buy order for 100.01 isk, even if the range includes station one, because player A's order doesn't reach station 2.
If player A wants to outbid player B's order, he would have to raise his price by 1% above player B's price, because station 1 is in range of player B's order.

In short, it would mean that you would have to outbid all the "green" orders by at least 1%. You are free to ignore the "grey" orders.

Of course, this would only transform the 0.01 isk war into a 1% war, but I believe that this would make it a lot more meaningful to undercut someone. A higher threshhold could work to I guess, but it would start to have a significantimpact on the traders' freedom.

Got comments? Better ideas? Don't like it? Any feedback is welcome!

Edit: If you wonder WHY I would like that change, it is because this already exists in the auction system for contracts. It filters out the... "market trolls", so that only the "serious" offers come through.

Edit: Another interesting idea posted on page 2:

Well, on a 200M order, it would be 2M instead of 0.01 isk.

I'm aware that it wouldn't make a big difference on very cheap items, but if you think a 5% or even 10% threshhold would be better, please tell me why.

It's been a policy of mine for quite some time, (here and in other games) to never buy from someone who's undercut the sell price of another by a single ISK or less.

I find it insulting that those people think that THEY should get the sale and the only deal they want to cut me is an extra ISK off the nearest price.

Of course until more people take the policy position I have on such practices, I suppose they will keep doing it.

The thing is, if you chose the 0.01 isk more expensive sell order, you are actually buying from the cheaper one, just giving him more money than he asked for.

Edit: @Psychoactive: You were faster, and this is the exact reason why the "do it yourself" method doesn't quite cut it. Also, outbidding by 1% myself doesn't prevent others from outbidding me by 0.01 isk afterwards.

>E-Honor

Seriously? That's how it works?

That's absolute crap. Why would your purchase go to a different seller when you clicked on someone elses sell order to make the purchase?

That's not right. If that's the case, then THAT needs to change first off.

If I play Lord of the Rings Online and buy from the guy who was undercut by 1 copper piece, then he gets the sale, not the guy who undercut by a measily 1 copper.

The transaction window, when you buy something, shows who the client was.

I'll have to check that out for myself. If that's true, then the client will show the person who had the lowest price getting the sale, and his inventory will reduce by the purchase amount, rather than they guy you thought you were buying from.

Now why would the purchase screen make you pay the higher price, when the guy with the lower price is getting the sale? You'd think it would force you into paying the lowest price.

Ridiculous. Then one of two things needs to change. Either they have to make your purchase go to the item/seller you clicked on to make the purchase, OR they have to always charge you the lowest price, rather than pay the higher price but have your sale go to the guy who undercut.

Because I don't want you getting the sale, if you are only offering a 0.01 ISK discount.

I should be able to make the purchase from the seller I want to buy from.

And if not, then I should not be paying the higher price simply because that's the one I clicked on. If the sale is going to the lowest seller anyway, then that's the price a player should be charged.

INFLATION Brah, you know what It means?

what about usign your mouse wheel to outbid 0.01 isk besides typing it every f**** time?? Maybe you wouldn´t be so mad