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I didn't know that. Yesterday i somehow clicked on the office thingie and i'm pretty sure it showed 1.6b per 30days in Jita for an Office. Bug, whatever i wasn't that interested but your comment explains a lot and some corps will burn a lot of cash just by not knowing.

There is a lot of negativity in this thread, and that's totally understandable. What OP suggests is next to impossible. Plus the fact that apparently previous efforts (and discussions) at establishing hubs have met with failure.

Even though the figures quoted above are in all likelihood reflective of the reality, I love fantasizing and experimentation. I've got stockpiles of all kinds of stuff at Jita rotting away, which I may just all dump at New Caldari or wherever. Taxes and fees may be an issue in the greater scheme of things, but somehow they don't bother me.

Like all such projects, a critical mass needs to be achieved, and then the process becomes self-sustaining. What exactly the critical mass is, I have little idea, but it is likely to be a fraction of the total assets currently at Jita. 30%? less? more

Jita is the hub for reasons beyond just "hey, let's all sell in Jita." It's driven by the eve-economy just like Amarr and Rens are, it's just better. There is a huge amount of space that Jita services because of the logistic capabilities afforded by JFs and nothing will change that (aside from moving space or gates).

OP, to accomplish what you want to accomplish, in my opinion the evaluation is this:
-How much do you need to discount your sell orders to attract people 1 jump from Jita?
-How much do you need to increase your buy orders to attract sellers 1 jump from Jita?
-Do you even need to discount/increase? Is there a point where buyers will pay more to avoid Jita? Sellers to pay less?
-If so, how much more or less?

For example, will a freighter who foolishly filled up with 100bil of all the things want to sit on a traffic controlled gate? How much will they discount their goods to avoid that gate?

Market mechanics still drive where/if the hub can spillover. There is pressure to sell outside of Jita, and that pressure is growing with the lower pop cap, so by all means, go try to capitalize on it. Train up margin trading and put up buy/sell orders 1 jump out and see how it falls out.

So you're saying that only the goons can do it, and even they don't want to?

btw I agree with you. Am getting more and more depressed with every nail in the coffin...

lets put some detail and real numbers to it. They are still high but not trillions for one comodity:

my source of data: http://eve-marketdata.com/ and eve central

Jita sell orders: 102 252
Isk in all sell orders: about 29 trillion isk

if you divide that by 8500 you get about 3.4 billion on one comodity average.

Some have more, like Adaptive Invulnerability Field II wit about 40 billion.
But some then have "only" a few hundred million.

I know thats still a lot of isk, but as Samroski said, you maybe dont have to cover the same amount at the new hub to get the rest following.

As New Caldari is closer to lowsec, JFs would, depending on direction, have to make 1 jump less or same distance. The only aspect I see Jita better in, is the number of stations for production in Jita system itself. But if you count in all stations within 1 jump, New Caldari has more. So tell me what on Jita is better than New Caldari II besides the players.


You are right with these thoughts. And I am already trading In New Caldari. My experience so far is, that there is profit to be made. You can sell even higher than Jita right now. I cant keep up with production.

there are 946 Manufacture Slots producing right now 1 Jump around Jita in Forge alone. And way more if you go 2 or 3 Jumps.

I care. Everytime I arrive at Jita I think: man is this ugly!
On the other hand if you warp in from Nyabainen to New Caldari II you arrive at the undock side of the station. Imagine ships passing each other in opposite directions while docking and undocking. In the background a giant populated temperate planet. That has so much more style.

That actually would make a lot of sense, considering how much cash flow goes through there. The tax dollars should be going to something. Shovel ready!

My wife made me move our front door by 6 inches to the right once so the front of the house 'looked more even'. Took a week to do - before I started I had the same arguments with her, ultimately she won - The only way you will get a trade hub moved / new one developed is either you put a bunch of women in charge of the operation (and they are in short supply in this game)- or get CCP to reduce the taxes of the existing trade hubs, adding a couple of extra trade hubs, again with reduced taxes into the mix, thus drawing players to them who want to save a penny or two.

Personally, I'm sorry to say, but I don't think you have a chance. trade hubs morph and develop over time and do so through natural processes, it isn't something you can engineer to happen in a week, month or probably even a year.

I wish you luck, but note you are not the first to try / suggest this and I am sure you wont be the last.

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