EVE New Citizens Q&A

A friend of mine recently convinced me to give Eve a shot. He never stops going on about it, so i thought i would give it a look in. I had deliberately stayed away from it in the past given that the game has been around so long, and i figured that as a new player i couldn't hope to be competitive.

My friend seemed to think otherwise.

I cannot for the life of me see why he thought that...

PvP here is awful. I had expected to get stomped, sure, but i figured that somewhere amongst all of the stomping there would be a moment or two that would make it somehow worthwhile.

Nope.

It's miserable.

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.

:( I'm not sure what's happening here. Atre you going out with your corpmates on roams? If so, your FC should be training you. As a brand new player, you could be tackle -- a very important job. You'd still be losing ships but you'd be learning and getting somewhere.

If the corps you are joining are leaving you to drift, then I am not sure what to say. I see you're currently based in Ichoriya -- that's a serious hotbed of PvP. Have you asked to come along with the more experienced guys?

As a new player you are not supposed to fire guns in PvP, if I am correct. PvP in Eve is about team work and newbees role is to tackle, keep enemies pinned down. And take the loot after the battle ;)

Imagine you are a single soldier in a war, some kind of infantry, with your assault rifle, trying to win over a tank. Isn't that what you're trying to do?
Now imagine you are in a group of soldiers. Does it change your chances to win?

Well your barely 2 weeks in game and from your killboard so far, the few losses you have are to groups or to ships that, quite frankly, you should have run from if you could.

Of course to look at it another way, while you've lost 6 Rifters and been podded twice, the kills you've been involved with have resulted in almost 500m in losses.

Also after looking at your kb it seems to have all you ships fit the same way which is great if it works but between your skills and your fit you probably don't live long enough to run the armor repped, you may want to go for more resists so you can cycle you guns also it appears you fly with shield fleets so if theirs logi you may want to talk to your friends about alternate ships or fits.

But you can fly a Celestis well inside two weeks ! And if that aint FOTM, Im not sure what is ;)

Yet you complain that newbs can't do anything while experience shown by us vets here tell otherwise.

Yes, that's what you typed. You can argue, you can whine, but that's exactly what you typed. Also, you bought 3 months of play time, not of win time. You are not entitled to anything.

Either you lose your attitude, or you wasted 3 months on a game you don't even try to understand. Anyway, may I have your stuff?

I can't for the life of me find the part where i stated or even implied that i needed instant gratification / winning?

PvP is supposed to be one of the bigger draw cards for the game. However, PvP is only an exercise in frustration for new players - and this is pretty much what i had expected from the start. I didn't expect to be an invincible pirate pwning badass roaming 0.0 in my tech 1 Rifter. I expected that players who had been playing the game for years, and had accumulated stacks of ISK and skill points would stomp my guts out. This is why i never really bothered with Eve in the first place (before i was convinced otherwise).

I'm not saying the system is wrong and that it shouldn't be this way, im simply making an observation.

Again, i don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with veteran players.

What I had hoped was that maybe, if i was lucky, that at some point in amongst getting reduced to space scrap, i might actually chance across someone else unfortunate enough to be on the same level as myself; another lowly newbie in a lowly tech 1 frigate - and the thing is, i don't even care if i lose - i just want to be able to participate in something other than a completely one sided beat down. There just doesn't seem to be all that many newbies (or anyone tbh) playing the game, and what player base there is seems to be quite top heavy. I guess that is just what happens when you have a game that is as old as Eve is now.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.