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"ICE" is gone!!! for the Mom and POP..... Walmart has taken over!

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Generals4
#81 - 2013-06-11 13:53:30 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
ICE


Or you could just get ice in less crowded systems? There is a system near my home where there is ice 24/7, never went in it without the white glaze anom being present. Now sure it's in lowsec but surely that wouldn't stop a brave ice miner who wants to be good at what he's doing (mining ice).

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#82 - 2013-06-11 13:54:06 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
It's not ICE that has changed.

It's Big money - AFK game play is gone.

So RIP.



Not true.
I am getting about the same amounts of pre-patch, AFKing as much as it gets.

The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.

Odissey = best multiboxer's friend.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#83 - 2013-06-11 13:54:08 UTC
When there is no ice... I dock up, switch to strip miners and a mining upgrade, then find one of many easy to locate higher end ore sites. Seriously, ccp took away, but they gave right back by making Grav sites into easily found anomalies. Plus, with thw reduced time to train into an orca, life is good. I'll have an extra orca pilot in 2 weeks. He can follow my miner, making it easier to switch from ice to ore and back.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#84 - 2013-06-11 13:57:45 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.



All high sec Ice Anomalies spawn exactly 2500 Cubes of Ice.

That's almost 18 Orca Loads. Snatching 'everything' is a little difficult, and a ridiculous exaggeration on your part.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#85 - 2013-06-11 14:02:01 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
so dont mine ice 24/7



Out of good will toward the goons and any others with reading comprehension deficencies. I will be glad to host a webinar in the near future to try to help with this disability you may have in regards to reading comprehension.

Please allow me to paraphrase to help you. He said he only plays part time not 24/7 this means only limited play time as in only a few hours not all day.

Hope this helps.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2013-06-11 14:07:06 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
We were missing your patronizing schooling, keep it going please.

Sandbox is sandbox only long enough before the developers decide they don't like your sand in a certain place.
If there were no boundaries, it wouldn't be a sandbox — just a misshapen heap.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#87 - 2013-06-11 14:07:10 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.



All high sec Ice Anomalies spawn exactly 2500 Cubes of Ice.

That's almost 18 Orca Loads. Snatching 'everything' is a little difficult, and a ridiculous exaggeration on your part.


Here's 2 players with their fleets as of 1 minute ago, not showing my own.

In total it's 46 ships. Guess how long does it take to empty your 2500 cubes and how much will the random 1 account guy take? Also considering he has to move 41 kms from 1 cycle depopped roid to the next?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#88 - 2013-06-11 14:16:28 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:


Again, this isn't to complain about me, more about EVE game play in general.
.



Player not at fault


Game isnt playing itself properly


Everything is borked




Apart from this person

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#89 - 2013-06-11 14:17:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
We were missing your patronizing schooling, keep it going please.

Sandbox is sandbox only long enough before the developers decide they don't like your sand in a certain place.
If there were no boundaries, it wouldn't be a sandbox — just a misshapen heap.



Wouldnt it just be a desert?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Dave stark
#90 - 2013-06-11 14:23:59 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


The only thing that changed is that now those who can grab a whole belt, sgnatch everything and everyone else are kicked out.



All high sec Ice Anomalies spawn exactly 2500 Cubes of Ice.

That's almost 18 Orca Loads. Snatching 'everything' is a little difficult, and a ridiculous exaggeration on your part.


not really, you only need a fleet of ~25-26 ships inc boosters and haulers to keep an ice anomaly cycling at it's max 5x per day respawn rate.

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. not to mention those that don't quite hit that size, often weren't alone in a system so between the handful there were, it's not difficult to empty the anomalies at a rather rapid pace.
Solaris Ecladia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-06-11 14:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Solaris Ecladia
confirming there are metric fucktons of ice in nulsec and lowsec. where you can charge what you please after you mine it as well.

you should just join an alliance and grow a pair of balls.

edit: you can totally say fucktons on the forums!
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#92 - 2013-06-11 15:17:30 UTC
Go mine in Null Sec...
Lol

Where I am.

flakeys
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-06-11 15:25:42 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Robert Saint wrote:


"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"




Then enlighten me wich profession in eve let's you stay in one system the whole time gathering isk without the need to put any thought to it ?


Trade ? nope does require a lot of info browsing
Missions?Nope you need to jump systems for those a lot of times too
Wormholes?Same thing you have to scan a lot
Exploration?Same as wormholes
PVP?obvious why not
FW?mix of exploration , missions and pvp definatly not.





So , with your logic a person can not have ANY profession in eve then ? The only thing i can come up with is researching blueprints , that would be about the same time/thought input as the old ice mining and maybe PI .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#94 - 2013-06-11 16:10:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. not to mention those that don't quite hit that size, often weren't alone in a system so between the handful there were, it's not difficult to empty the anomalies at a rather rapid pace.



Interesting that out where I am, the multi-boxers do not seem to be in existence anymore.................

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Dave stark
#95 - 2013-06-11 16:13:42 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

most multiboxers that previously mined ice are close to, if not already exceeding that size fleet. not to mention those that don't quite hit that size, often weren't alone in a system so between the handful there were, it's not difficult to empty the anomalies at a rather rapid pace.



Interesting that out where I am, the multi-boxers do not seem to be in existence anymore.................


i used to mine in a system with multiple ice belts, there were at least 2 multiboxers in the ice belt i mined in alone, i never cared to check the other but i assume that had at least one.

on patch day they were still there and i realised i couldn't compete with them, even with 2 anomaly spawns. so i moved. trust me, they're still out there.
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#96 - 2013-06-11 16:13:55 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:

I think the real issue is AFK gameplay.


No, stop that. That is not gameplay.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#97 - 2013-06-11 16:27:23 UTC
I'm actually finding Ice to be much more interesting now - And more productive. Instead of a Mac, I'm using a Skiff, and getting abotu twice as much per spawn as I did before. The Skiff cycles faster, allows me to full up, dump the hold, and refill sometimes as many as four times before the spawn is annihilated.

The change keeps me engaged - having to move from cube to cube, manage my hold, and otherwise keep my eyes open is much superior to the old way of "show up, activate turrets, come back in 20 minutes."

I used to mine ice just to remind me why I hated mining. Now, I actually *check* for spawns, and if one is active, I'll re-ship and go after it.

Never get wealthy at ice mining, but that's what Wormholes are for.

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FlameOfSurvival
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2013-06-11 16:48:02 UTC
why Missions are still unlimited available? Should be changed too !!!!
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#99 - 2013-06-11 17:03:22 UTC
There is an ice belt 2 jumps from my home station that is never touched. Just sitting there.

Of course this is in low sec. Might want to upgrade your game...and by game, I mean you.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2013-06-11 17:31:18 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Go mine in Null Sec...
Lol

It's not about fear or whatever ****, the reason most don't go to null. Most are too greedy to do it. Because noone will let them mine there if they don't pay or fight. Also most of the miners think it's a given that others pay or fight for them. Most also complain about the corp taxes for the ratts they kill when they mine. Big smile
Sometimes hate is understandable.
But there's still a lot doing ice mining in null, getting rich, and don't die trying.Lol