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Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-06-11 11:19:57 UTC
Lost True wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?


It has nice texture

NICE TEXTURE?
It's terrible Cry


But it has a built in cloak!
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2013-06-11 11:20:35 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Drake: Kinetic damage
Navy Drake: Rainbow


Good point, but is it worth that much extra iskies?

Drake: Short HAM range
Navy Drake: Long HAM range
Perihelion Olenard
#23 - 2013-06-11 11:34:40 UTC
The navy Drake does seem underwhelming compared to the navy Brutix. The only thing you pay for with the navy Drake are the new blah bonuses. With the navy Brutix you pay for the better tracking, the HP, and more damage. Is that really fair?
Liam Mirren
#24 - 2013-06-11 11:36:44 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
The navy Drake does seem underwhelming compared to the navy Brutix. The only thing you pay for with the navy Drake are the new blah bonuses. With the navy Brutix you pay for the better tracking, the HP, and more damage. Is that really fair?


If only an explosion radius bonus would have a similar effect as tracking.... That'd be awesome wouldn't it.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#25 - 2013-06-11 11:41:38 UTC
at least you got something different to play with that might find some use.
minmatar got the same old cane prenerf with wxtra hp
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#26 - 2013-06-11 11:47:28 UTC
It's a fine boat.
With 0 pimp fittings I get:
691 DPS on rage Hams shooting out to 25km.
Buffer fit cap stable with AB 473m/s
112k omni damage EHP 161 passive resist BEFORE boosts.

with Tengu style of pimp:
750 DPS
520 m/s
154k omni EHP 245 passive {183k EHP 300 passive with tengu boost}
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-11 11:49:39 UTC
To mare wrote:
at least you got something different to play with that might find some use.
minmatar got the same old cane prenerf with wxtra hp



IMHO still needs an extra hard point, it's a fckin Tribal Cane!! -it's all about guns tbh !!

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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#28 - 2013-06-11 11:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
I really don't get it.

We got a Drake that has true selectable damage, more range, better damage application, more EHP, more speed, more agility, more capacitor and some are acting like its a nerf...O_o

Just looking at the following makes my juices flow...XD

[Drake Navy Issue, DNI]

Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

The only reason someone could be a little grumpy about is the loss of the utility high. But even then, the real PvP potential more than makes up for it.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-11 12:01:20 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
It's a fine boat.
With 0 pimp fittings I get:
691 DPS on rage Hams shooting out to 25km.
Buffer fit cap stable with AB 473m/s
112k omni damage EHP 161 passive resist BEFORE boosts.

with Tengu style of pimp:
750 DPS
520 m/s
154k omni EHP 245 passive {183k EHP 300 passive with tengu boost}



If you get only 750 dps out of your HAM Tengu you're doing it wrong, I've got a T2 fitted with and already get 840DPS out of Rage HAM's up to 39km (spec4 no implants). 1Rig change for lulz and I get 45km with rage 49with faction and 75with javs.

Tank with GANK, overheat the thing, pImp BCU's and you'll look like this Shocked
Cheapo stuff for a T3 T2 fitted around 650M jita prices, decent tank, decent speed but most important: excellent dmg projection -over 650dps with kin javs -500+ with any other dmg type

Navy Drake has different uses but most Drake users/lovers are unable to think a bit around bonus and work their ship for, it's easier to come on GD beg for solutions or claim it's bad. Well it is not.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-06-11 12:12:33 UTC
navy Drake will kill EM rats quite a bit better than the basic

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#31 - 2013-06-11 12:18:13 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
Why the hostile attitude all the sudden?

You do know the majority of people actually play in Caldari space right?

Who told you i was looking for an OP Drake btw? cause i certainly didn't ask for that anywhere.

I do know CCP was talking about the Navy Drake basically being what the old Drake used to be, which was basically comparable to a Tengu ( which will not be the Tengu we know now in future either ), in terms of DPS and tank.

Why do you presume this negative intention on my part?
All i want to really know, is what warrants the iskies for this thing?



- because you don't listen. If you want people to have grown up conversations with you, act like one. If you act like a 5 year old who didn't get his candy you'll be treated like one
- no, they don't. Just most mission runners do
- you did, by asking why a ship with no direct dps increase or shield resists is so expensive. That means that you expected this new and expensive ship to have more dps and tank. From the second you heard about that Navy Drake you had dreams, wet ones, about the shlurp dps and super uber tank. I know you did, we all do because it's so obvious from this whole thread

- drake never was comparable to a tengu

- because you whine like a carebear

- as I explained before, it's really good in *some* situations, mostly pvp ones, and for those people it's possibly a good investment
some one's been killed by too many drakes. You butt hurt bro? You seem really upset. The point
Is valid. For the price it should be better. Is the navy tempest not better than the tempest? Is the navy raven not better than the raven? The navy drake should be a lot more powerful. And yes ccp did say it was supposed to be as good as the old drake. Scrub get made when they fix the navy drake ill bring the blob to you
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-06-11 12:51:50 UTC
Given that HAMs typically have range issues and trouble hitting small targets, it would appear that CCP designed the DNI to be a HAM spewing machine that had an almost built in damage bonus from 8 launcher hardpoints (a 33% damage bonus to all damage types rather than a 50% bonus to kinetic only).

I don't really see what there is to complain about...


If you can't afford to fly it or don't see the point, then don't. If you can afford to fly it and see the point, then do.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Liam Mirren
#33 - 2013-06-11 13:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Majindoom Shi wrote:
some one's been killed by too many drakes. You butt hurt bro? You seem really upset. The point
Is valid. For the price it should be better. Is the navy tempest not better than the tempest? Is the navy raven not better than the raven? The navy drake should be a lot more powerful. And yes ccp did say it was supposed to be as good as the old drake. Scrub get made when they fix the navy drake ill bring the blob to you


Which part of "the navy drake IS better, just not in the way carebears clowns (like you it seems) want/expect it to be" don't you get?

Also, tired old memes aren't helping your case.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-11 13:15:50 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Adriana Nolen wrote:
It's a fine boat.
With 0 pimp fittings I get:
691 DPS on rage Hams shooting out to 25km.
Buffer fit cap stable with AB 473m/s
112k omni damage EHP 161 passive resist BEFORE boosts.

with Tengu style of pimp:
750 DPS
520 m/s
154k omni EHP 245 passive {183k EHP 300 passive with tengu boost}



If you get only 750 dps out of your HAM Tengu you're doing it wrong,


Obviously he was talking about a pimped out Navy Drake. Hence the "Tengu style".
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-06-11 13:44:07 UTC
It is better than the normal drake.

a lot better, it just you can't see it in EFT, that is sometimes a bit hard on people.

The Navy Drake is "fast" rainbow damage will do a lot (kinetic resistance is quite well on shield tankers and bonused on Gallente ships)

the abillity to enhance HAM range and to hit smaller targets makes is an excilent ship for small gang and solo PvP.



Is that worth it's price?

in the right hands it will.

though I expect the price to drop a little bit when it isn't a new thing anymore.
Dildus Maximus
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-06-11 14:07:56 UTC
drake navy = overpriced and flat out ugly
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-11 14:40:39 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
I really don't get it.

[Drake Navy Issue, DNI]

Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


So that fit there? You going to kite with it I presume? So uhh, what happens when you run out of cap 1m30sec with micro on? You need at least 1 cap booster for kiting. You will be dead in seconds against anything brawl fit that catches you in your 1 minute of cap.

Good luck soloing, maybe I'll go and kill you with T1 brawling bc.

What a useless ship. Has anyone on here saying it is good niche ship, actually flown/fit/fought a navy drake? Hard to fit, solo = dead/fleet = dead(primary, unless HM 100km out), die too easily. There is a reason why no one likes them, but mission runners.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#38 - 2013-06-11 14:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Dude...have you ever used a podla style drake?

Quote:
Good luck soloing


Nevermind.
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-11 15:06:31 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Dude...have you ever used a podla style drake?


Dude do you actually know what the fit is? Not what you posted.
Haulie Berry
#40 - 2013-06-11 15:11:24 UTC
Lol, PvE players.
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