Science & Industry

After last patch, the cost for inventing and manufacturing a T2 ship is double the market prices. Befote patch, a normal -4 ME -4 PE t2 bpc were the only still profitables, all other variations using Decryptor were not profitable. But now it is just ....how can i say it....WTF CCP JUST F*** INVENTION.
I am using the site http://bp.kiwi.frubar.net/ to calculate the costs, i dont know if it got crazy, but i checked the prices and minerals/materials with ingame BPCs and it is not wrong.
Manufacturing T2 ships invented bpcs is just not worth it anymore, the costs are 100% or more the market price of the ship.
My skills are all lvl 5
My t1 bpcs are Max Run BPC

I am doing exact the same as i was doing before patch. SO CCP, why invented bpcs have their costs doubled, making invention useless?

I think it really says a lot about S&I players in general that you're not even the first person to have asked this stupid question.

hey when your on it, please don´t forget to blame T2 BPO`s. It´s a unwritten law in every "broken invention" thread, ok.

I'd be surprised if the Metamaterial prices stabilized at anything above 10k per unit. Mostly because that still gives you a 1 billion a month profit on the reaction. With input materials at Jita prices.

Lower is possible. There aren't that many reactions with that kind of profit level. http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/reactions/

Right now, they're significantly higher than that.

I haven't seen a stupid reply here, but wise analysis done by clever people : the pressure over T2 products was highly predictable a long time ago, and traders/manufacturers anticipated what you did not.

Metamaterials prices will probably stabilize in the 5000-10000 isks pu range, but I don't know precisely when. Until then, T2 products are for mosts, unprofitable to manufacture, even with a bpo.

Don't try to do the invention/industrial stuff if you are not interested by the patch notes. And remember : knowledge leads to profit.

Except it's completely untrue.

That doesn't stop stupid people from whining about it, though. Who cares about facts when someone else has something you don't have, right?

its fact T2 BPOs render ship invention useless or not worth the effort, simply because they cover the market demand for ships pretty well, unlike modules which are used on a various number of different hulls.

Actually, that's not a fact at all. It is, in fact, a complete opposite of a fact: For most ship classes, T2 BPOs don't come remotely close to satisfying market demand. Total ship output from BPOs was barely exceeding that from invention back in 2009. Since then, the game population (and, thus, demand) has gone up substantially... but the number of BPOs hasn't. Furthermore, what carried the BPO numbers in 2009 was largely interceptors, which were both popular and could be built pretty quickly from BPOs. They've since fallen out of favor, as they're a poor value proposition relative to navy frigates (and, in some cases, even their T1 counterparts).

For some ship classes (most notably interceptors and the majority of command ships), I'm sure BPO production is still winning out. There is limited demand for those ships because generally speaking, they're bad. The T2 ship rebalance should, hopefully, address this, and demand should follow - and low demand is really the only thing that has ever allowed BPO production to exceed that of invention. Even for ships that DON'T have T2 BPOs (Marauders, Blackops, EAS, etc.), invention has historically been a mediocre option, at best.

TL;DR version: BPOs aren't a problem. T2 ships are just pretty bad, and are generally exceeded in price:performance by T3, navy, and pirate ships.

Generally speaking, I would give the benefit of the doubt, here, and just assume that someone who posted something this blatantly wrong to be ignorant and making assumptions.

You've been here long enough that I'm pretty sure you know better, and are simply lying.

This hits the nail on the head. Some newbs have the supposition(incorrectly) that it is impossible to catch up to 'vets' and T2 BPO add to this. For this reason I think that they are damaging. That is the only 'good enough' reason to get them removed. Is it fair ? Certainly not.

However there have been changes in the past that have 'taken away' from players, like WTZ, it may not be a hard asset but that mechanic was an asset nonetheless and they had to change their ways. WTZ when all said and done was done for newbs mainly, it also had the added benefit of removing all them bookmarks too.

Whether T2 BPO stay or not, from a industry point of view it has a tiny effect on me. However if T2 BPO's are removed it will have a negative effect on a tiny fraction of people but keeping them in seems to be aggravating a significant number of new players.

This is an objective look at the situation. Just my 0.02 isk

since you agree that the BPO´s don`t harm the said "newplayers", it won´t help to remove them as the problem is in the Mind of those ppl who want to find a reason for their "failing". They would simply cry about something else



excuse my ignorance, but what is WTZ? and no changing a mechanic is something total different than taking items from indivduals, trust me CCP will never do that.

considering they are in the game for almost all the time, I dare to say they stay. removing them would not just hit the owners of them (wich are over a thousand, wich is certainly not nothing) it would also damage CCP´s reputation and even ppl who have nothing to do with T2 BPO´s won`t trust CCP enough to grind for their goals.



corrected it for you