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Andrew Gaspurr
The Initiative.
#21 - 2013-06-11 13:14:01 UTC
There is a market for nearly everything in EVE. ...okay, Carbon, don't know... P
My viewpoint is that exploration is not finished once you loot the containers. You have to look for those who need that stuff as well. I consider it an incentive and also a well deserved "break" from yawning at ratting in general.

Consider: When robbing a museum you essentially have the same situation. Loads of ancient dusty crap and broken clay pots and you know zero people who would be interested to buy your plunder. So you start looking... build relations... you know... Blink

Thus far I looted some nice T1 and T2 module BPC. I manufactured the items myself or sold the BPC to a buddy miner.
I also looted some nice stacks of Rig Salvage, which I sold for an even nicer sum of money to the "right" people.
I also got stacks of Datacores and other parts and nearly always could make a profit from them.
It's just the effort...

Exploration is in no way comparable to other ratting activities when considering isk/h, except when you have one stroke of luck after the other and find faction BPC amidst a heap of T2 rig BPC. But it's not always isk/h that has to be the measure.

But it's actually a funny thing to do, and that counts for me.

[i]"In this universe you only have three options: You're part of the problem, part of the solution or part of the landscape. Now, there are are only two ways how to deal with it: You accept it or you change it.[/i]"
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2013-06-11 13:20:11 UTC
Andrew Gaspurr wrote:

I also got stacks of Datacores and other parts and nearly always could make a profit from them.



Yeah.....before June 4. Just try it now.................

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Vince Snetterton
#23 - 2013-06-11 13:25:13 UTC
The other fun part about this mess is that invention/ / T2 mfg just got ridiculously cheap, as it is cost effective to use decryptors that cost 10% of what they did a week ago.

This, with the huge drop in raw materials of some T2 items, and yet another drop in datacores, are turning the T2 markets upside down.

Benefit will be all T2 stuff is cheaper.
The down side is industrialists are going to have a much tighter margins as more and more people do this, and good skills (once again, dumbing down the game, and reducing the value of good skills, a growing trend with CCP) will become valueless.

Of course, the best stuff comes out of null sec, by several orders of magnitude.
You factor in the order of magnitude increase of copying / invention slots in null, plus the soon-to-be implemented roll-out of Dust to null sec, giving null sec POS's (and mostly likely stations) a 67% percent buff in mfg times compared to high sec, and the writing is on the wall for high sec T2 mfg.
Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#24 - 2013-06-11 13:31:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Toralen
Bellatren Star wrote:
If they have different loot in null compared to hisec it might help since you won't find many rookies exploring in null anyway not only is hacking much harder in null but you also have predators to watch out for.

Edit: just seen your post above to be honest i haven't really seen many rookies if at all in null.


I've seen plenty frigs exploring in null on my way. Stop pushing this "null = oh so dangerous" nonsense. It's not. Frigs are hard to catch and the population density is so low. It's so easy to dodge locals. I've run sites all night yesterday and have seen only two other players briefly in local. It's by far safer then running sites in low if you ask me. Bubble camps are the only danger for these cheap frigs but then you can deal with that by scouting with an alt and sites have 4-5 times more loot then lowsec so easy to set off any loses.

Something needs to be done to raise the entry bar for nullsec sites.
Manes Avatarr
Superfast
#25 - 2013-06-11 13:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Manes Avatarr
kaastiana wrote:
yawn* very helpful answer, i'm sure ccp love your incentivisation to not give them any money.

They will cover loss of you with my money. But... hey. to the point. Stating "i will unsub" is yawn-instant. Seriously? Me and you are not navel of the world.
You know what you can do in Eve - if you won't do anything else - choice is clear, unsub and go away. Is it not that obvious?

I still enjoy hisec and lowsec xploration, even if its not generating that income as before or what i would wish for.
It's fun!

FRONTIER ADVENTURERS Corp. | To explore, build & fight! | recruitment topic
Vince Snetterton
#26 - 2013-06-11 13:44:30 UTC
Johan Toralen wrote:
Bellatren Star wrote:
If they have different loot in null compared to hisec it might help since you won't find many rookies exploring in null anyway not only is hacking much harder in null but you also have predators to watch out for.

Edit: just seen your post above to be honest i haven't really seen many rookies if at all in null.


I've seen plenty frigs exploring in null on my way. Stop pushing this "null = oh so dangerous" nonsense. It's not. Frigs are hard to catch and the population density is so low. It's so easy to dodge locals. I've run sites all night yesterday and have seen only two other players briefly in local. It's by far safer then running sites in low if you ask me. Bubble camps are the only danger for these cheap frigs but then you can deal with that by scouting with an alt and sites have 4-5 times more loot then lowsec so easy to set off any loses.

Something needs to be done to raise the entry bar for nullsec sites.


So you suggest getting a second account and putting him in a cheap frig to scout for your primary in another cheap frig?
Litair
Nleesh
#27 - 2013-06-11 13:48:40 UTC
Johan Toralen wrote:
Bellatren Star wrote:
If they have different loot in null compared to hisec it might help since you won't find many rookies exploring in null anyway not only is hacking much harder in null but you also have predators to watch out for.

Edit: just seen your post above to be honest i haven't really seen many rookies if at all in null.


I've seen plenty frigs exploring in null on my way. Stop pushing this "null = oh so dangerous" nonsense. It's not. Frigs are hard to catch and the population density is so low. It's so easy to dodge locals. I've run sites all night yesterday and have seen only two other players briefly in local. It's by far safer then running sites in low if you ask me. Bubble camps are the only danger for these cheap frigs but then you can deal with that by scouting with an alt and sites have 4-5 times more loot then lowsec so easy to set off any loses.

Something needs to be done to raise the entry bar for nullsec sites.


Indeed that. The problem is that earlier you would find nasty rats in null sec sites, so you'd need a big and fairly expensive ship to deal with them.. which means you also have a lot more to lose if you get caught by the locals or fly into a bubble. Obviously that means the rewards should be better as well.

Now the rats are gone, so you don't need a fancy ship and can just do it in pretty much anything.. so the risk aspect is mostly gone, but the rewards are not.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-06-11 13:53:48 UTC
kaastiana wrote:
and if non of those things are that fun or interesting compared to what i was very happily doing?


I had the same problem yesterday, i have have happily been doing exploration for 2 years, and Odyssey pretty much killed exploration for me as a profession, at least for the moment.

The thought of writing a "i quit post" did cross my mind, but decided to look at the change to try something new in the game, so i decided i wanted to go to npc null and do missions for a pirate faction. I don't have huge amount of time i can use on eve at the moment, so running missions suits me fine and living in null could be a nice change from doing low-sec exploration.

I can advice something like joining RvB or FW, both are cheap easy fun, and FW can give a nice profit.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#29 - 2013-06-11 13:55:36 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Johan Toralen wrote:
Bellatren Star wrote:
If they have different loot in null compared to hisec it might help since you won't find many rookies exploring in null anyway not only is hacking much harder in null but you also have predators to watch out for.

Edit: just seen your post above to be honest i haven't really seen many rookies if at all in null.


I've seen plenty frigs exploring in null on my way. Stop pushing this "null = oh so dangerous" nonsense. It's not. Frigs are hard to catch and the population density is so low. It's so easy to dodge locals. I've run sites all night yesterday and have seen only two other players briefly in local. It's by far safer then running sites in low if you ask me. Bubble camps are the only danger for these cheap frigs but then you can deal with that by scouting with an alt and sites have 4-5 times more loot then lowsec so easy to set off any loses.

Something needs to be done to raise the entry bar for nullsec sites.


So you suggest getting a second account and putting him in a cheap frig to scout for your primary in another cheap frig?


Disposable cheap frigs are the future of exploration - who'd a thought it a few weeks ago?
Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#30 - 2013-06-11 14:24:21 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
So you suggest getting a second account and putting him in a cheap frig to scout for your primary in another cheap frig?


Doesn't make sense to you? I would certainly recommend it when travelling with a cargo hold full of loot. Even noob player can easily pay for second account with these new sites.

Hate to give out these advices but perhaps if situation keeps getting worse CCP will come to their senses and do something about it.
kaastiana
Boundless Opportunity
#31 - 2013-06-11 19:00:29 UTC
Manes Avatarr wrote:
kaastiana wrote:
yawn* very helpful answer, i'm sure ccp love your incentivisation to not give them any money.

They will cover loss of you with my money. But... hey. to the point. Stating "i will unsub" is yawn-instant. Seriously? Me and you are not navel of the world.
You know what you can do in Eve - if you won't do anything else - choice is clear, unsub and go away. Is it not that obvious?

I still enjoy hisec and lowsec xploration, even if its not generating that income as before or what i would wish for.
It's fun!

then you're very easily pleased, well done you

/buddy jesus
Diablo Aeglaeca
Dark Alliance
#32 - 2013-06-11 20:10:04 UTC
so glad I cashed in my site loot before the past weekend! put rats back in and issue resolved!
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