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How good is EVE for PvE focused solo play?

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-11 11:55:55 UTC

So I'm trying out EVE on trail, I'm enjoying it but I want to know some thing first.

While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.

Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.
Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-11 11:57:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Andres Talas
Paul Otichoda wrote:

So I'm trying out EVE on trail, I'm enjoying it but I want to know some thing first.

While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.

Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


A whole bunch of nullified tech 3s with explorer gear show its doable.

Personally, I think its more fun doing stuff in teams of horribly underskilled players for the content you're doing, but what I like isnt what you like.
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#3 - 2013-06-11 12:12:59 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

So I'm trying out EVE on trail, I'm enjoying it but I want to know some thing first.

While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.

Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


People are doing what you are going for.
Basically EVE isn't a solo PVE game however. As long as you keep away from missions and mining for the sake of mining, then you may find enjoyment rather than insanity inducing boredom =)

YMMV P
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#4 - 2013-06-11 12:13:31 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

So I'm trying out EVE on trail, I'm enjoying it but I want to know some thing first.

While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.

Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


It's possible, but:

1.) Keep in mind that you are in an MMO, so players can force interaction on to you (usually in the form of PvP, there is no PvP-free zone)
2.) Because of how EVE is made, PvE is very limited and can become quite boring.
3.) Even when part of a group/corp, you can still do solo stuff.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#5 - 2013-06-11 12:20:02 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.



It's terrible. No matter where you go or what you do other people are going to effect your outcomes. Even in missions in high sec someone can scan you down, enter and start stealing your loot/salvaging your wrecks.

Exploration in high sec is a competition with other players and if you go towards low/null sec and expect solo play you're a killmail waiting to happen.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-11 12:20:58 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

So I'm trying out EVE on trail, I'm enjoying it but I want to know some thing first.

While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.

Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


It's possible, but:

1.) Keep in mind that you are in an MMO, so players can force interaction on to you (usually in the form of PvP, there is no PvP-free zone)
2.) Because of how EVE is made, PvE is very limited and can become quite boring.
3.) Even when part of a group/corp, you can still do solo stuff.



I don't mind PvP but I'm not one to concentrate on it.

Though I will admit that I don't really want to actually join groups or corps yes I know it the only real way to access high level content but I just don't feel like I want that kind of commitment (espeically given how EVE corparate system works)
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#7 - 2013-06-11 12:25:05 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

So I'm trying out EVE on trail, I'm enjoying it but I want to know some thing first.

While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.

Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


It's possible, but:

1.) Keep in mind that you are in an MMO, so players can force interaction on to you (usually in the form of PvP, there is no PvP-free zone)
2.) Because of how EVE is made, PvE is very limited and can become quite boring.
3.) Even when part of a group/corp, you can still do solo stuff.



I don't mind PvP but I'm not one to concentrate on it.

Though I will admit that I don't really want to actually join groups or corps yes I know it the only real way to access high level content but I just don't feel like I want that kind of commitment (espeically given how EVE corparate system works)


The last part is not true.

Sure there are corps that want you to commit "x"amount of time to log on, want you to fly "x"ship etc.

But there are also plenty of corporations that just don't give a **** about if you can't log in for a couple of days, or that you just want to do stuff alone most of the time, but they do help you in the way that they can assist in certain things.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-06-11 12:57:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jose Black
Depends on how you define solo play. If you absolutely hate player interaction and just want to be left alone then you might hate it.
If it means you know how to make people leave you alone and have fun doing your thing - despite other people trying to ruin your day now and then - you will have lots of fun.

Also loose connections to random interesting people can be very rewarding. For me that makes the game very enjoyable.
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-06-11 13:25:30 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.


Why don't you try asking that very question in your corporation channel in-game? Also, don't believe everything you read, and only half of what you hear.

I'll answer it here, all the same. Any play style that is makes you happy and is not explicitly forbidden by CCP is a good play style. You just have to accept that others might challenge you and your playstyle. They may even be able to prevent you from playing the game your way entirely, especially if you are solo and they are in a group. Prepare yourself for that.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-11 13:45:56 UTC
it works out alright. some aspects of the game like running an own POS and/or living in a wormhole system are impractical to do alone but some others like exploration, trade, industry etc. can be done alone pretty well.

I should buy an Ishtar.

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#11 - 2013-06-11 15:16:56 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:


Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


Your typical exploration day:

1. Jump to the [some system], you see like 2 signatures. Maybe they are data / relict sites with fat loot and nice riuns to look at.
1.a. Spent 20 minutes to find out, that both are wormholes.
2. Jump to the next system, you see like 4 signatures. Same expectations.
2.a. Spent next hour scanning, just to find out, that all 4 are wormholes again....
3. Jump, scan, after next half of an hour you find data site.
3.b. You finally got some loot, worth of 4,5 mio, as you see in description. You do not care any more how beautifull ruins are, cause you are tired of scanning and quite angry with the result after losing so much time.
3.c. You come to the station to find out, that you can not sell you 4,5 milion worth cargo for more then few thousand ISK. Or you have to jump many jumps away to sell it at least for 1 milion.
4. You scan next system. You find out combat site. After few minutes site is full of other players, who still your targets or kill you to get rid of competition.
Merouk Baas
#12 - 2013-06-11 15:50:24 UTC
Ok for comparison:

PVE in other MMO's:

You get a whole character progression main quest, that basically takes your character from level 1 to max while providing some sort of background story for you to follow, with extra side quests (lots and lots) added in to keep you busy and get you leveled up. Once you get to end-game, you can grind raid/group content, or start over again with an alt.

PVE in EVE:

Randomly generated missions, from a pool of 2-300 or so, that are populated with NPCs based on the level of the agent that grants you the mission. There are lots of agents you can pick, but the missions are pretty much random, and at higher difficulties you may see the same mission but with bigger NPCs to shoot.

Exploration: randomly placed sites that you and everyone else can find and get a chance at randomly generated loot, more or less. Designed to encourage PVP as much as to provide PVE content.

Industry: crafting is more complex than in other games, and the economy is supported by players rather than loot drops, so both the trading interface and the crafting are more complex, although not necessarily more rewarding.

There is no progression and no overall quest line that you can follow, you have to create your own quest line and goals.

The quest progression in the other MMO's may keep you busy for 2-4 months, then raiding; here you may get bored after 2-4 weeks.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#13 - 2013-06-11 18:49:43 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:


Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


Your typical exploration day:

1. Jump to the [some system], you see like 2 signatures. Maybe they are data / relict sites with fat loot and nice riuns to look at.
1.a. Spent 20 minutes to find out, that both are wormholes.
2. Jump to the next system, you see like 4 signatures. Same expectations.
2.a. Spent next hour scanning, just to find out, that all 4 are wormholes again....
3. Jump, scan, after next half of an hour you find data site.
3.b. You finally got some loot, worth of 4,5 mio, as you see in description. You do not care any more how beautifull ruins are, cause you are tired of scanning and quite angry with the result after losing so much time.
3.c. You come to the station to find out, that you can not sell you 4,5 milion worth cargo for more then few thousand ISK. Or you have to jump many jumps away to sell it at least for 1 milion.
4. You scan next system. You find out combat site. After few minutes site is full of other players, who still your targets or kill you to get rid of competition.


You take how long to probe a signature?...it shouldn't take that long even with bare bones skillpoints. I take it you wanted to farm easy, high value sites in high sec rather than exploring for stuff?

The part about selling stuff is just funny...that's called a trade hub. You should visit one they have all kinds of fun local games to play like "Double your isk" or "Test your tank" and great deals like "Shiny new rigged Gniess perfect for exploration".

Try low/null sec.
Ned Taggart
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-11 19:33:09 UTC
I havent been at is long, at all, but I am a solo player, so far its been fun, I'm doing an Epic Arc at the moment. I am normally a solo player, even in MMO's. I am also someone that generally avoides PvP.

Now, all that said, I am really digging how different Eve feels. I can honestly say, that is has been a LONG time since I have felt the wonder and real fear playing an MMO.

I say try it. Do the trial, if you like it, upgrade for another month. There is lots to do, exploration, mining, seeing if you can tip toe through lowsec or null sec in one piece. You might even find that you may enjoy trying some fleet PvP. at least, give it a shot.
Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
#15 - 2013-06-11 19:48:06 UTC
It gets old and boring real fast. There's just not much to do alone. Since there is no real storyline in the game, all you can do is basically work a job - be it miner, explorer, manufacturer, whatever - or join a corp and PvP. It's more of a space sim than anything.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you it gets any better - many people just quit because of the lack of goals or in-depth story (no one reads the lore and it's not made prominent in the game). But, some people do like it, however compared to other MMOs EVE falls short on content.

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic

Kyseth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-06-11 23:14:31 UTC
Honestly, I do a lot of things solo and in a casual manner. Actually, the corp I'm in is based on that.

Some days I'll go explore while others I'll just sit back and mine while chatting with people in the corp. Maybe I won't be a military superpower or pull in billions of ISK a day, but spending time my way is what's important to me.

The point is that it is do-able. It may not be the norm, and maybe it doesn't work for you in the long run.. but it's possible.
Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-12 03:02:11 UTC
So a lot has been covered already but a few points I do want to really point out.

1.) First this is not like a typical MMO where you get quests and level up all the way to some max level. This is NOT a theme park where they use bread crumbs and tell you where to go next. Yes there are agent missions but don't expect much story and don't expect them to be like a typical theme park MMO. Someone mentioned the Sisters of Eve Epic arc, true this is a good fun adventure but once it is over that is it. Then it is off to do agent missions which basically are go kill these guys. I believe there are more epic arcs in low sec but they are a higher level and more dangerous. You can repeat an epic arc every three months but you need something to do in that time frame and will it be fun repeating it?

2.) There are some corps which do require x amount of time but there is a huge majority who do not. In fact if you read most corp advertisements most say you need to be self sufficient because they won't have fleets up and ready to go every single part of the day. Then there are those corps who are around just so a group of people can chat while everyone does their own thing. So don't shy away from corps just because you worry they will require a time constraint.

3.) As other people have mentioned just because you want to play solo doesn't mean others will let you. If you are in space you are always in danger of being killed any second. However, there are plenty of things you can do to keep you safe.

Now to the positive sides

1.) Eve is a sandbox and play it however you want. If you like to solo and are having fun do not let anyone else tell you that you are wrong. You will hear its an MMO go play a single player game a lot when solo is mentioned. It is your money you are using to play so play how you want. There are people who think the carebares are playing it wrong, carebares think the pirates are playing it wrong. Don't listen do what you want. You can play by yourself, you can do what you want, some things will be easier than others. The important thing is to remember the first thing I said

2.) Exploration is a good career choice for solo and is more solo friendly than PVP. What erg cz says is partially true and it sounds like he is coming from the perspective of wanting to make money. Nothing wrong with that but personally I just enjoy exploring and the challenge of finding things. Yeah when I find a wormhole I wish it was a relic or data site but I still enjoy the challenge of having to scan it down. So if you are interested in making the most isk per hour and want consistency then maybe you don't want exploration. However, I love the mystery and never knowing if this might be the one time I find some really cool item worth a bunch of money.
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-06-12 03:44:55 UTC
There's enough "solo" PVE content to keep you busy for a year or two; however, at that point you'll be insane and want to kill someone (in-game).

Fortunately EVE has many avenues for PVP where you can do just that!
Covert0ne
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#19 - 2013-06-12 15:29:26 UTC
I would say you are able to enjoy the PvE content solo, however surrounded by even a few people will make it all the better. Rather than decide right now you want to play solo, explore the game and meet some people then make the decision!

War Crime Syndicate are recruiting!

Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#20 - 2013-06-12 18:12:36 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
While I know that this game is mainly PvP/player interaction focused I prefere PvE solo focused gameplay. So I have to ask? How good is this game for playing this style.


Well, there are two answers to this question:

Firstly: yes, there are things you can do that don't involve actually having other player ships on your screen doing things directly to your ship for the most part. Missioning, mining, and the very first few tiers of exploration tend to lend themselves to this play-style, and 0.0 sovereignty space is basically a giant padded "safe zone" for the most part where what you're describing is essentially the only available activity.

Secondly: There is no activity in Eve that is not PvP, because this is a game about libertarianism and corporate warfare gone completely haywire. If you're off in a pocket minding your own business, the mineral supply you're creating is contributing to the price of minerals going down, so there is motivation for the buddy of another miner to remove you forcibly from the local market. If you're just sitting in local hanging out, you're disrupting people using local to watch their backs by being an unknown threat, etc. So there is no activity where other players cannot try to spoil your day, and few where they won't at least occasionally. So be prepared.

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Also I'm interested in exploration which seems to be a good solo focused area.


Exploration is a sorta-solo activity when you're doing it in high-security space or playpen 0.0. Apart from the occasional guy who will try to sneak in, let you do the work, and then steal the prize, you'll mostly be on your own.

In low-sec / NPC 0.0 the exploration sites are a point of competition and drop loot of significant value, so competition against players is probably a bigger factor than against NPCs.

In w-space, which is essentially the end-game of exploration, you don't have a lot to worry about while you're running sites, but once the NPCs are dead people can and will gank you at every opportunity.
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