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Exploration Income

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The Forum Alt
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-11 10:29:51 UTC
Income from relic and data sites has plummeted the last couple of days to the point where it is not worth the effort.

I blame the new changes.
Ewersmen
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-11 10:33:34 UTC
I agree ...... i like the hacking thing ...but the cans scattering is a pain
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-06-11 10:47:03 UTC
Focus on items that will retain their value regardless of the number of people doing the sites. Do more adapting and less complaining. It'll benefit you much more.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-11 10:50:04 UTC
best is to stop exploring altogether, exploration is useless, you won't earn isk, you can make more doing level 4 missions .. in other words .. these are not the sites you are looking for *waves hand*
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#5 - 2013-06-11 11:00:39 UTC
If it stops being worth the effort, fewer people will be doing it, thus supply will drop, thus prices will rise.

Ergo: Let the free market handle it.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-11 11:13:51 UTC
The Forum Alt wrote:
Income from relic and data sites has plummeted the last couple of days to the point where it is not worth the effort.


You can save what you find and sell it when the prices go up, or just do something other then exploration the next 3-6 months.

I've always been a big fan of exploration, and i think a lot of the new Odyssey changes are great, but currently it's just to crowded now and there is very little profit to be made. Once the dust settles and people are bored with new hacking mini-game, i'm guessing everything will be back to normal.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Manes Avatarr
Superfast
#7 - 2013-06-11 11:36:29 UTC
Adapt, adapt, adapt...

I don't understand ppl doing only 1 thing in Eve. Damn.. it has to be boring as hell!
Missioning more profitable than hisec exploring? Go missioning. Boring? Go to low/null and explore. Afraid of losing explo frig or cruiser? Join sov alliance, take on industry, mining, manufacturing.. whetever.

Just stop complaining that GAME IS CHANGING and its DAMN GOOD thing. In my career i was missioner, miner, explorer, unsuccessful trader, heck,, i had been building rigs and Mammoths for some time.

Eve is great place to taste it all. Why do you complain when one source of money is nerfed? Train up and do other things. Its all there. Explore possibilities for gods sake..

Idea think, get fun, don't whine!

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2013-06-11 11:56:15 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Focus on items that will retain their value regardless of the number of people doing the sites.



There are none.

Even the decryptors have degraded way past 1/2 that of their former equivalents. Huge drops. 2 Carbon for 45 ISK each ?

It is indeed now a worthless profession, at least in High Sec, and not worth the time at all.

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#9 - 2013-06-11 12:05:56 UTC
With the new ultra low prices, I may try my hand at research & T2 production.
kaastiana
Boundless Opportunity
#10 - 2013-06-11 12:15:33 UTC
dexington wrote:
The Forum Alt wrote:
Income from relic and data sites has plummeted the last couple of days to the point where it is not worth the effort.


You can save what you find and sell it when the prices go up, or just do something other then exploration the next 3-6 months.

I've always been a big fan of exploration, and i think a lot of the new Odyssey changes are great, but currently it's just to crowded now and there is very little profit to be made. Once the dust settles and people are bored with new hacking mini-game, i'm guessing everything will be back to normal.


i like the hacking and to some extent even the loot spew, but the ease of scanning and lack of rats in the sites has lowered the skill requirement to run them quite considerably.

i doubt the prices will ever go back to normal because it's just too easy for rookies to get into. got 6 decryptors in my hanger worth 50mill according to the hanger estimated value, i guess it will be about 40mill in reality at pre-oddy prices............ atm i wouldn't get more than 10mill.

not suggesting they make the current system much harder but i think there needs to be a similar replacement to the pre-odyssey sites with rats and other loots, by all means include the new hacking/loot spew to those as well , noobs could still run the current data/relics for decent rewards. vets(for want of a better term) could still make money doing what they enjoy with the greater skill requirements.

as it is i'm struggling to find a reason to re-sub when my acc expires in 2 days, certainly not being forced into the parts of the game i don't find that interesting or fun for 2-3 months in the hope it will all settle down.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#11 - 2013-06-11 12:18:58 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Focus on items that will retain their value regardless of the number of people doing the sites. Do more adapting and less complaining. It'll benefit you much more.


Fanboi's never change.

Not today spaghetti.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-06-11 12:25:40 UTC
kaastiana wrote:
i doubt the prices will ever go back to normal because it's just too easy for rookies to get into. got 6 decryptors in my hanger worth 50mill according to the hanger estimated value, i guess it will be about 40mill in reality at pre-oddy prices............ atm i wouldn't get more than 10mill.


There is little to no difference in the difficulty of hi-sec sites, before they had 3-6 frigates, it took longer to train probing skills then the combat skills need to clear the sites. I think the biggest difference is in low and null sec, because you can fly around i covert ops and clear the sites, but i don't really think many rookies are going to be going that.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

kaastiana
Boundless Opportunity
#13 - 2013-06-11 12:37:58 UTC
Manes Avatarr wrote:
Adapt, adapt, adapt...

I don't understand ppl doing only 1 thing in Eve. Damn.. it has to be boring as hell!
Missioning more profitable than hisec exploring? Go missioning. Boring? Go to low/null and explore. Afraid of losing explo frig or cruiser? Join sov alliance, take on industry, mining, manufacturing.. whetever.

Just stop complaining that GAME IS CHANGING and its DAMN GOOD thing. In my career i was missioner, miner, explorer, unsuccessful trader, heck,, i had been building rigs and Mammoths for some time.

Eve is great place to taste it all. Why do you complain when one source of money is nerfed? Train up and do other things. Its all there. Explore possibilities for gods sake..

Idea think, get fun, don't whine!


and if non of those things are that fun or interesting compared to what i was very happily doing?

go missioning? not particularly an "anything could happen" career.
join an alliance? why? seems most are nullbears and it would just make going to null much safer, not having anywhere to dock makes the game mostly just long jumps back to a home base and more tedious.
industry/manufacturing? pretty much passive careers in reality, which i do to some extent but certainly not going to fill my time ingame with it.
trading? i do that anyway too.
mining? kill me now!!
PVP? i like that it's out there, able to 'get' me, and the risks that entails, but not interested in it as something to do. in fact i get more pleasure escaping from pvp......... that means i won ;)





kaastiana
Boundless Opportunity
#14 - 2013-06-11 12:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: kaastiana
dexington wrote:
kaastiana wrote:
i doubt the prices will ever go back to normal because it's just too easy for rookies to get into. got 6 decryptors in my hanger worth 50mill according to the hanger estimated value, i guess it will be about 40mill in reality at pre-oddy prices............ atm i wouldn't get more than 10mill.


There is little to no difference in the difficulty of hi-sec sites, before they had 3-6 frigates, it took longer to train probing skills then the combat skills need to clear the sites. I think the biggest difference is in low and null sec, because you can fly around i covert ops and clear the sites, but i don't really think many rookies are going to be going that.

i rarely scan hisec as it is/was. certainly was more rats in low usually including cruiser class ships.
my usual 25 jumps or so route through lowsec has seen a massive increase in traffic, majority are t1 frigs according to dscan and a few brief looks at chars in local shows them to be pretty new chars.
Manes Avatarr
Superfast
#15 - 2013-06-11 12:47:05 UTC
kaastiana wrote:
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go missioning? not particularly an "anything could happen" career.
join an alliance? why? seems most are nullbears and it would just make going to null much safer, not having anywhere to dock makes the game mostly just long jumps back to a home base and more tedious.
industry/manufacturing? pretty much passive careers in reality, which i do to some extent but certainly not going to fill my time ingame with it.
trading? i do that anyway too.
mining? kill me now!!
PVP? i like that it's out there, able to 'get' me, and the risks that entails, but not interested in it as something to do. in fact i get more pleasure escaping from pvp......... that means i won ;)


You adapt or you die*. Roll


(* unsub - no more tears)

FRONTIER ADVENTURERS Corp. | To explore, build & fight! | recruitment topic

Bellatren Star
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-06-11 12:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bellatren Star
kaastiana wrote:
dexington wrote:
The Forum Alt wrote:
Income from relic and data sites has plummeted the last couple of days to the point where it is not worth the effort.


You can save what you find and sell it when the prices go up, or just do something other then exploration the next 3-6 months.

I've always been a big fan of exploration, and i think a lot of the new Odyssey changes are great, but currently it's just to crowded now and there is very little profit to be made. Once the dust settles and people are bored with new hacking mini-game, i'm guessing everything will be back to normal.


i like the hacking and to some extent even the loot spew, but the ease of scanning and lack of rats in the sites has lowered the skill requirement to run them quite considerably.

i doubt the prices will ever go back to normal because it's just too easy for rookies to get into. got 6 decryptors in my hanger worth 50mill according to the hanger estimated value, i guess it will be about 40mill in reality at pre-oddy prices............ atm i wouldn't get more than 10mill.

not suggesting they make the current system much harder but i think there needs to be a similar replacement to the pre-odyssey sites with rats and other loots, by all means include the new hacking/loot spew to those as well , noobs could still run the current data/relics for decent rewards. vets(for want of a better term) could still make money doing what they enjoy with the greater skill requirements.

as it is i'm struggling to find a reason to re-sub when my acc expires in 2 days, certainly not being forced into the parts of the game i don't find that interesting or fun for 2-3 months in the hope it will all settle down.


If they have different loot in null compared to hisec it might help since you won't find many rookies exploring in null anyway not only is hacking much harder in null but you also have predators to watch out for.

Edit: just seen your post above to be honest i haven't really seen many rookies if at all in null.

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Litair
Nleesh
#17 - 2013-06-11 12:52:45 UTC
dexington wrote:
kaastiana wrote:
i doubt the prices will ever go back to normal because it's just too easy for rookies to get into. got 6 decryptors in my hanger worth 50mill according to the hanger estimated value, i guess it will be about 40mill in reality at pre-oddy prices............ atm i wouldn't get more than 10mill.


There is little to no difference in the difficulty of hi-sec sites, before they had 3-6 frigates, it took longer to train probing skills then the combat skills need to clear the sites. I think the biggest difference is in low and null sec, because you can fly around i covert ops and clear the sites, but i don't really think many rookies are going to be going that.


Actually I've seen countless month old newbs/alts in t1 exploration frigates flying around exploring in null and low sec. Probably because there's no risk or isk investment involved when flying something like that, but a fair amount of potential profit to be made.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#18 - 2013-06-11 12:58:28 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
If it stops being worth the effort, fewer people will be doing it, thus supply will drop, thus prices will rise.

Ergo: Let the free market handle it.


The value of an activity whose output is traded on the free market is determined by those who value their time the least.

Ergo: be careful what you wish for.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-06-11 12:58:49 UTC
Then just kill them!
kaastiana
Boundless Opportunity
#20 - 2013-06-11 13:11:50 UTC
Manes Avatarr wrote:
kaastiana wrote:
[
go missioning? not particularly an "anything could happen" career.
join an alliance? why? seems most are nullbears and it would just make going to null much safer, not having anywhere to dock makes the game mostly just long jumps back to a home base and more tedious.
industry/manufacturing? pretty much passive careers in reality, which i do to some extent but certainly not going to fill my time ingame with it.
trading? i do that anyway too.
mining? kill me now!!
PVP? i like that it's out there, able to 'get' me, and the risks that entails, but not interested in it as something to do. in fact i get more pleasure escaping from pvp......... that means i won ;)


You adapt or you die*. Roll


(* unsub - no more tears)

yawn* very helpful answer, i'm sure ccp love your incentivisation to not give them any money.
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