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Dueling question... How a 1v1 can quickly turn into a 1v2 or 3 Please Help
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Lysenko Alland
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
#21 - 2013-06-10 19:56:49 UTC
Not having had access to the combat log, it's impossible to say for certain, but I have a guess that what happened was that you targeted the other party, challenged him to a duel, he accepted, and in the fraction of a second before your limited engagement timer went active with him, you managed to activate a module like a warp scrambler that would put a suspect timer on you.

Having a limited engagement with one corp member doesn't grant others nearby the right to shoot you, normally.
Baren
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-06-10 20:02:20 UTC
still it was two more people that came in after.. that would mean i would have needed to do that to both of the 2 new players.


I sent a petition last week to find out what happened. Still no response but I deff gunna post what had actually happened on the forums so that maybe people in the future know what to do and not to
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-06-10 22:46:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucretia DeWinter
Thinking aloud...

You send duel request.
Target tells you he accepts (sounds like a mutual chat went on here)
Target gets himself a suspect flag.
You shoot at him, thinking the duel is go.
You get limited engagement between you - and his corp.


Noticed this a few times shooting at suspect ships, the limited engagement that comes up shows the pilot and their corp as free to engage.

maybe that's what it was? A variation on suspect baiting incorporating fake duels?
Baren
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-06-10 22:50:02 UTC
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:
Thinking aloud...

You send duel request.
Target tells you he accepts (sounds like a mutual chat went on here)
Target gets himself a suspect flag.
You shoot at him, thinking the duel is go.
You get limited engagement between you - and his corp.


Noticed this a few times shooting at suspect ships, the limited engagement that comes up shows the pilot and their corp as free to engage.

maybe that's what it was? A variation on suspect baiting incorporating fake duels?



no no... I dont even start targeting someone until the accept the actual duel request thing..
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#25 - 2013-06-11 01:48:41 UTC
Were you in Green or Yellow mode? But if you didn't omit any facts it reeks of exploit.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-11 10:48:35 UTC
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:
Thinking aloud...

You get limited engagement between you - and his corp.


I'm not quite sure if I understand the system well enough, but I don't think there is a "limited engagement between a player and a corp." The point of LEs is that they are always between two characters. If you shoot a suspect, you get yourself in an LE with him, but his corp should have nothing to do with the fight.

From EVElopedia...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Crimewatch#Limited_Engagements

EVElopedia wrote:
(Limited Engagements) only exist between players (not corporations, alliances etc), and allow each party the right to attack the other without legal penalty.
Ahmed Ibn Rustah
Maxim 6
#27 - 2013-06-11 10:58:49 UTC
Just going out on a limb here but, have you tried asking them how it was done?
Soban Kitara
Kitara Innovations
#28 - 2013-06-11 11:29:55 UTC
If everything went exactly how it you said it did, there has to be some kind of exploit. I'm not ruling out the possibility that there was a mechanic that you could have missed, but like others have said, checking your logs couldn't hurt.

"When life gives you cherries, just wrap your banana."
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-06-12 09:43:36 UTC
Texty wrote:
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:
Thinking aloud...

You get limited engagement between you - and his corp.


I'm not quite sure if I understand the system well enough, but I don't think there is a "limited engagement between a player and a corp." The point of LEs is that they are always between two characters. If you shoot a suspect, you get yourself in an LE with him, but his corp should have nothing to do with the fight.

From EVElopedia...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Crimewatch#Limited_Engagements

EVElopedia wrote:
(Limited Engagements) only exist between players (not corporations, alliances etc), and allow each party the right to attack the other without legal penalty.



Whilst flying about, I've shot at suspects. Usually, there's just a limited engagement between pilots.

However, I have noticed on two occasions where the Limited Engagement icon pops up a little number 2 and the hover over info shows LE with the Pilot and Their Corporation.

I'm not sure myself how this comes about and what is different that triggers a corp LE, hence why I mentioned it here.
PNXR
Finder Industrial Services Inc
#30 - 2013-06-13 19:06:45 UTC
Only way those two could have been in engagement is if they repped the guy you were fighting making them global suspect meaning you can shoot them. If you did not shoot them they can only rep their mate. If you engage them they can then shoot back at you with their own limited engagement. This assumes a few things...maybe you could clarify more?
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#31 - 2013-06-14 03:04:25 UTC
You don't need to pod to get killrights, but if it was killrights you would have a mail. This corp limited engagement sounds like a bug, it's not mentioned anywhere. But seems the pilots figured out how to get that and dropped on you.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-06-14 11:18:48 UTC
You had your drones on agressive mode. THey warp in.. repair your dueling partner.. your drones agroo them.. they kill you...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#33 - 2013-06-14 11:29:41 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
You had your drones on agressive mode. THey warp in.. repair your dueling partner.. your drones agroo them.. they kill you...


so if 2 ishtars were to remote energy transfer each other, wouldn't that relay agression? Or do you absolutely need drones to attack him?
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-06-14 14:42:54 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
You had your drones on agressive mode. THey warp in.. repair your dueling partner.. your drones agroo them.. they kill you...


so if 2 ishtars were to remote energy transfer each other, wouldn't that relay agression? Or do you absolutely need drones to attack him?



Someone that repairs the guy that is fighting you makes him receive the limited agression .. so you can agro him. The drones will do it by themselves if left floating in agressive mode. After they do that.. you become a free gank for the repairing ship.

High sec.. keep light green and keep drones on passive mode....

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
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