Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is the 3rd or 4th year I've proposed this.
Into the breach once more.

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Complete workflow for the Mining Profession.

The Problem.

Presently the Mining Profession as a whole is completely broken. What?!? You say, Mining isn't broken, people mine every day.

This is true, however, because CCP hasn't changed mining in a decade and the game has grown exponentially, other things have become huge issues to the workflow for any mining corp. Mostly to do with the feasability of running a mining corp, and the way the lack of features impact the workflow for these corporations.

By workflow I mean taking a Miner and his CEO, now the Miner goes into a belt and mines ore. He might bring it back to the station and contract the ore to the corporation for a set amount of money, thereby benefiting the miner and the delivering minerals to the corp.

However it also creats work for the CEO, who then has to recheck the contract (as it has no set rate, and must be calculated manually) to make sure mistakes or ripoffs aren't happening, then accept or deny the contract.

Then the CEO has the added issue, the ore is now sitting in a station (by definition of the contract) and it does him little good there unless he's just going to sell it. If that's the case, why would the miner sell him the ore for under market value anyhow just to be onsold ? It makes no sense that anyone does this. And someone in lowsec with a Rorqual cannot sit outside the station compressing ore, you STILL need a POS.

If the CEO wants to make ships out of it, he has to have the blueprints and other components in the station or has to move the ore.

This is all well and fine in high-sec, however, move this workflow to low-sec or 0.0 and see how much more drastic the whole thing becomes.

None of this even takes into account new or at least newer players. They possibly will contract the ore in order to do what the corp wants, but first have to get the ore to the station - a huge task on its' own for new players.

tl;dr The Contracts system sucks for doing this. You either have to own a station (Heaps of mining corps have these right?) or you are up for some serious logistics and cannot really have new players in your corp.

Also, noone here is benefiting from either running a mining corp or from being a miner in the corp. New players are doubly whammied because they don't really have the means to move ore to the designated contract station and it cuts them out ALTOGETHER from any mining corp operating in low-sec or 0.0 purely on the basis of logistics.

Not to mention the contracts themselves. From experience I can tell you that as CEO, once a corp goes over the 50 player mark you are basically a full-time accountant. ALL of your in-game time will now be dedicated to contracts, moving ore and fuelling pos. You will not be able to mine yourself (or rarely) and the social aspect of the game will be impacted detrimentally (including the culture of the corp which at this point in its' growth is incredibly important).

Basically, it is creating a false ceiling for mining corp growth.

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The Proposal.

CCP would create a silo which can ONLY hold ore, minerals, gasses and other mining-type elements or salvage. I'd also suggest that the silo should be able to hold AT LEAST a corporate hangar worth of materials, and more than 1 being able to be used at the same time (in order to grow the storage capacity).

Once this structure is anchored, prices can be set in the corporation screen for buying these items from players at a set rate and can be changed whenever necessary.

Also a wallet to pay people from is set.

Once a miner comes into the POS to put his ore in a hangar, he instead can put it into the silo and be paid instantly from the specified corp wallet at the set rates. This allows new players to make money in low-sec or 0.0 in their chosen profession.

This is the industrial equivalent system of PVPers Ratting and getting their money straight away. How it still isn't fixed is beyond me.

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Effects.

This allows CEO's to handle the workload of the corp and continue to take part in ops and manage the corp itself. (Read "Fun").

It makes the Rorqual a useful tool for the corporation for a CEO to own and makes it less of a requirement for EVERY miner to have - although still usefull.

Another issue it addresses for these corporations is the fact that a POS in low-sec and 0.0 doesn't really do anything for them.

They potentially are only storing ore here and using it as a safe haven in the system - pretty underwhelming considering the costs involved. The POS isn't actually facilitating any part of the corporation or being used for anything truly useful.

CCP likes to bandy words around like sandbox and emergent behaviour. If you notice the features and ideas forum, something like 98% of the stickies is 0.0/PVP related with next to nothing on the obviously broken industry side of the sandbox.

I would argue that before you can observe any of this emergent behaviour, CCP must create the tools to support the players in these roles.

I can feel your pain on the accepting contracts front.

What I would suggest is, as you have a ~50 man corp? Increase your delegation of duties. If you have 50 players all mining and contracting minerals to you then get a couple of them to start accepting contracts on the corps behalf. Surely there are a few people in the corp you trust enough to do that?

Why do we need to implement a system of trust just to gain basic functionality for miners to enjoy the same instant payments that other professions get ?

Even if that could be done, it's still a huge hole in the security of the corporation just to be able to maintain the basic function of the main profession the corporation is meant to support.

Oh for CREST, with a contract interface. The ability to accept or decline corporate contracts would take care of a lot of this.

Doesn't cover POS activities though.

This adds nothing of value except to troll the OP. Add, comment on the suggestion or move out of the way.

I see the OP's idea and how he likens it to a Mission Runner. MR runs his mission, get's his bounty payment every 15 minutes and get's his Reward and Mission Bonus as soon as he completes.

However, Corp Mining is NOT an NPC activity, if you wanted to mine for instant rewards there are Mining Agents out there so the two are incomparable. Corp Mining is supposed to be user interactive and doesn't give an "instant reward".

I do like the idea of a "Ore Trading Hub" and reducing the "paperwork"\clickfest that some things in EVE have become and for this reason I give it a +1 for a good idea.

Indeed, I believe you can. So if you need 53,756,124,078 tritanium, just break it up into equal parts and leave the contracts laying around for miners to accept as they fill the quota.

Oh, I see. We didn't all at once rally 'round your first post, showering you with lilies and praises and gold coins and so now you're offended and trying to pull the "Famous people like it, so you should comply and like it too", "I have connections", "You don't understand because you're just the common folk", the " I don't really care what you think anyway" and also the "You're all worthless so it doesn't matter" cards.

Nice. Remind me why you're still here in F&I. No, wait. Don't. Just go back to GD, please and thank you.

I love how the only thing you took away from what I said was a personal attack against you, or my attempt to be important.

Good job, yeah I can't imagine why I'd think this was a waste of time.

You know you can mail Seleene or Mittani and they will probably also answer you. You too can "have connections" with "famous people".

I was merely saying that it has been vetted by people who have over the years vetted a lot of ideas, so think before you post.

How terrible of me.