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Looking for Noctis anti suicide gank fit
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DUSTRIDERx
HC - Porkrinds
#1 - 2013-06-10 17:14:44 UTC
I started back playing after a few years, and to get use to things again i'm randomly doing salvage jobs and other stuff.

So how does one fit a Noctis to deal with a catalyst douchbag that is apparently not making profit from suicide ganking.

Here is what I lost (which i just got into the area to salvage the 20 something wrecks)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18162838#disqus_thread

Here is what he lost, i'm not sure which one because the times don't show up correct for some reason.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1660502&view=losses&m=06&y=2013

He didn't make any profit and I only lost 100m which i made more than 5x that salvaging the last 2 weeks for Pro Synergy.

So my question is... what to fit on a Noctis to give me that extra 5 seconds to let concord take care of the threat? I doubt a shield booster will do the job but I thought i would get the opinions and discussion of you guys to see what can be done.
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#2 - 2013-06-10 17:25:09 UTC
You need buffer, not active.

To add tank to a Noctis you need to take away from its sheer looting power.

You could either lose the storage space or the locking speed. I would prefer losing storage, it should still have enough space to salvage one mission with the base hull. This fit adds an armour tank which gives nearly 3 times the EHP of your original fit (26,700 EHP). It also needs you to lose the MWD in favour of an AB, but with the right noctis skills the tractor range should compensate for this.

[Noctis, Noctis Tanked]

Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script

Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I

Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#3 - 2013-06-10 17:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Here is what I use. Will serve you well...C:

[Noctis, Noctis fit]

Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Salvager I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I

Almost 30k EHP against void/antimatter. The armor fit is also good, but you cannot MWD it and the hull tank is more manly..XD

Also, have in mind that you were probably hit by a NO Agent. Getting a 10mil isk salvage permit would alleviate further losses. You can contact Fawn Taylor for more information.
DUSTRIDERx
HC - Porkrinds
#4 - 2013-06-10 17:49:58 UTC
Awesome post guys, I appreciate the information in detail and will look at these.

I have been working on my salvage skills just for the hell of it and in the next few days i'll have Salvaging 5 complete and i think that might be it for that. I may have to train a few other things but once that is done i wont have to worry about it anymore.

Thanks again -
Dustrider
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-10 18:08:32 UTC
Buffer helps. And simply adding a damage control almost doubles your EHP.

More importantly, and this is just a good habit anywhere (crucial for wormhole salvaging) is to get into the habit of staying aligned. Regardless of buffer, if you are always aligned you can punch out at the first sign of trouble. Of course this doesnt help at gates though.

Personally i prefer to hull tank the noctis. You get a pretty good buffer with a DC and one reinforced bulkhead and still maintain 1800m3 of cargo.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#6 - 2013-06-11 05:38:52 UTC
If your skills are maxed so you don't have range or salvage speed issues:

DC and 2 LSE's.

One salvage rig.

Other rigs and lows use for cargo.

You'll be right around 20k health, will still hold a ton of stuff and salvage as fast as you can move the mouse.

If you want to go with bulk heads instead of expanders on the smaller missions go for it.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#7 - 2013-06-11 06:03:57 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Buffer helps. And simply adding a damage control almost doubles your EHP.

More importantly, and this is just a good habit anywhere (crucial for wormhole salvaging) is to get into the habit of staying aligned. Regardless of buffer, if you are always aligned you can punch out at the first sign of trouble. Of course this doesnt help at gates though.

Personally i prefer to hull tank the noctis. You get a pretty good buffer with a DC and one reinforced bulkhead and still maintain 1800m3 of cargo.


This, staying aligned is the best defence, also since salvage drones aren't very useful, I run with a full flight of EC-300s and a sensor booster which when combined with some tank, will allow you a chance to break the enemy lock and escape as long as it isn't an alpha strike or the enemy bring a massive amount of dps, most ships will take enough time to burn through 20+k EHP that you can at the very worst attempt to get off 1 jam cycle and hope for the best.
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-06-11 08:19:44 UTC
a plate

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#9 - 2013-06-11 08:24:23 UTC
Put a damage control in a low. That one move will do more for your EHP than anything else, since the Noctis has so much hull.
Celia Therone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-11 11:39:43 UTC
DUSTRIDERx wrote:
I started back playing after a few years, and to get use to things again i'm randomly doing salvage jobs and other stuff.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18162838#disqus_thread

So my question is... what to fit on a Noctis to give me that extra 5 seconds to let concord take care of the threat? I doubt a shield booster will do the job but I thought i would get the opinions and discussion of you guys to see what can be done.

One of this guy's alts tried to suicide gank me recently and didn't get through my noctis' shields. From your kill mail it looks like your shield skills - Shield Management and Shield Operation probably aren't trained very highly. The former gives you more shield hp, the latter more shield recharge. Mechanics gives you 5% more structure hp and Hull Upgrades gives 5% to armor hp. As you can see, training those skills up alone may give you the time you need.

The dude appears to use Light Neutron Blasters with Void S so he has an optimal of roughly 2.5 with a falloff of 2.3, if you can get some distance and speed/transversal then his damage will drop off quite rapidly. He uses a warp scrambler and, I think, a sensor booster in the mids (I may be misremembering) so he doesn't have a prop mod. He's faster than you as you can't use your mwd but he doesn't have much range to play with before his dps goes down the toilet. I think this is why he failed to gank me (he may have had an unfavorable warp in with him further away than was ideal for damage application.)

I expect that dropping a cargo expander for a damage control ii would give you sufficient tank to last until concord gets there but I wouldn't swear to it. And, honestly, since they took out t1 loot it's rare for me to fill a noctis nowadays so the cargo hit shouldn't be too bad.

With 3 salvage tackle rigs and 3 expanded cargoholds you have 9,053ehp with all relevant skills at V. Drop one cargohold for a damage control ii and you have 14,543 (not only does the DC boost your shield, armor and structure resistances but removing the cargohold returns 500 base structure hp to you.)

Put a scrub char in as the pilot and you can lose a couple of thousand hp out of the 9053 potential.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-11 12:45:08 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Also, have in mind that you were probably hit by a NO Agent. Getting a 10mil isk salvage permit would alleviate further losses. You can contact Fawn Taylor for more information.


I'd have to dispute that. It'd only hold true if New Order were the only gankers out there, or could prevent unaffiliated gankers from hitting you, neither of which is the case.

For all that hull tanks are joked about, the ORE transports are ships for which hull tanking really does make sense - two T2 bulkheads plus a damage control give the Notcis about the best buffer you can hope for. The Noctis doesn't have the base armor to put together a tank that'll match the DC/bulkheads combo, and two mid-slots aren't enough for a proper shield tank.

Actually, if you're facing a single ganker, the hull tank should give you something close to thirty seconds against a max-gank Catalyst (assuming a perfect pilot is flying it), which should be enough time for CONCORD to respond.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Griffin Rhys
Kalmincon
#12 - 2013-06-11 14:22:31 UTC
Actually he did profit. Not all profit in Eve is isk in the wallet, believe me, I used to do what your ganker 'friend' is doing just not with this account. In this case he got a 100+mil kill for a mere 11mil loss, that my friend IS a profit where killmails are concerned.

As I mentioned I used to do this but I've been thinking about the flip side....might be time to tank up a Noctis, pack some Hobbies or smartbombs, a resist linked off-grid Legion and go fishing Twisted