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Essential skills for all career paths, and best way to turn big sums of money into more money?

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Maxx Kilbride
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-10 06:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Maxx Kilbride
Alright, I'm about three days in. So far I pretty much focused on getting all the skills that took 5-11M, some that took a couple hours, but mostly the small ones, and ones i needed for certain things. People told me to go for core compotency and I am doing that. Any others that no matter what I decide, pirate, miner, PVP, ect, are good to have?

On top of that, how do you take a large sum of cash and turn it into more?

Basically, someone gave me 300M at random. There was no senders name, message, or anything. I just got it. Logged in and saw it.

I'm already down to 290M, having bought a nice ship, some nice skill books(Trying up Gallente Cruisers now, going for Battleships after that, ect.)

I know everyone must ask how to make money in EVE. I know there's a ton of guides and methods. But I am asking, besides player scamming, is there anyway I can take this huge sum(for me at least, it is a huge sum), of money and use it as a starter fund to generate more revenue, rather than just slowly spending it?

I feel like if I just spend it all and run out, I'd probably quit the game because I'd be used to just never worrying about money and that seems to be a big part of EVE - worrying about money. So I wanted to, right from the get go, use this money to make more money and not keep spending it needlessly.

Thanks.

Just so you don't have to bother clicking through my profile, here is a direct link to my Character Sheet.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Maxx%20Kilbride/CharacterSheet
Sylvester Slake
Eve Gamer's Structure Tanking Association
#2 - 2013-06-10 06:42:47 UTC
Ok I just found this out a few days ago, but if you have any sort of industrial (sometimes not even, expessially with smaller items, and less capital as in your case)

But you can do trade runs..

http://eve-central.com/home/tradefind.html


ya just put in where u want to buy, and where u want to sell.. Its not always accurate, but ive made about 50 mil of it in the couple runs from to jita to hek and back.

Ive even made a quick buck by doing trading within the same region (was only 1 jump)


You also can check who sent it to ya if you go into your wallet, and go to transactions.. Should say in there.. If not there, then it will def say in the journal section of wallet
Maxx Kilbride
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-10 07:01:20 UTC
Hmm, it says Player Donation, but no name.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-10 08:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Maxx Kilbride wrote:
I'm already down to 290M, having bought a nice ship, some nice skill books(Trying up Gallente Cruisers now, going for Battleships after that, ect.)


Don't rush into battleships. You need a good few months of skills to fly a battleship properly (yes, you can sit in one in a few days, you won't be able to use it effectively). Hell, you need a good couple months of skills to fly a battlecruiser effectively.

Bigger is not better in EVE, there's nothing wrong with flying frigates or cruisers. Hell, some people with years of training fly nothing but frigates.

The smaller ships are somewhat forgiving to low skills, the larger ships are much less so. The smaller ships are also much cheaper to replace when they explode.
Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
#5 - 2013-06-10 10:20:27 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Maxx Kilbride wrote:
I'm already down to 290M, having bought a nice ship, some nice skill books(Trying up Gallente Cruisers now, going for Battleships after that, ect.)


Don't rush into battleships. You need a good few months of skills to fly a battleship properly (yes, you can sit in one in a few days, you won't be able to use it effectively). Hell, you need a good couple months of skills to fly a battlecruiser effectively.

Bigger is not better in EVE, there's nothing wrong with flying frigates or cruisers. Hell, some people with years of training fly nothing but frigates.

The smaller ships are somewhat forgiving to low skills, the larger ships are much less so. The smaller ships are also much cheaper to replace when they explode.


Not to mention much more agile and fun to fly :).


It all comes down to what YOU want to do in eve.
Isk isn't everything. If you're mindlessly grinding for isk, with no real use for it. Then there's no point.

You've got to give yourself a focus, a project, and a goal.
The focus is how you make isk, the project is what keeps you busy in eve (gathering blueprints, exploring sites, pvp), the goal is what you work towards, what you ultimately wish to accomplish. (this can be making a corporation, go living in nullsec, be the most competitive trader in a certain region, etc)

System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#6 - 2013-06-10 10:47:44 UTC
One thing:

Don't spend all your isk on stuff, load it all in a Industrial, and try taking it to Jita (especially on autopilot). You'll be popped, and have nothing left.

Just a public service announcement.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#7 - 2013-06-10 10:54:55 UTC
As for skills to train, this might help:

http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=896803#post896803

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Maxx Kilbride
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-10 12:15:11 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:



Thanks, that is what i was looking for.



And yeah, I'm just 3 days into the game people...Jita...nullsec...lol, waaaaaay ahead of my plans!

I just wanted to know if I could start making a profit without sizable risks - given this nice boost someone has granted me. I'd rather make it into more so that I don't have to worry about money.

If we're talking Frigates or whatever, perhaps a Comet would be a good purchase?
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-06-10 12:26:26 UTC
Exact investment would depend on your interests and career path.

Generic good investments :

- Skillbooks
- Jump clones
- +3 implants
- A good hauler
- A personal corp (to avoid tax)
- Whatever equipment you need, to do whatever career choice you choose

Isk is generally not a problem, if you are paying for a subscription.

If you want to play "free" expect to spend large amounts of time doing boring schit to earn 500m a month.
Maxx Kilbride
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-10 13:43:10 UTC
I dunno, I thought eventually I'd get to a point where my money makes itself. Like I invest in things and they pay-off without much interaction.

That said, just got ganked for the first time. Lost my Algos. Had it insured with Plat, but still...was 0.6 sec, guy said my ship was ugly, killed me in 4 hits before I could even respond, then killed my pod.

Annoying situation all around. I checked his thing out, he has a over 1B Isk bounty on him. I can imagine. Then he bragged about killing me, which is odd because his account shows 1 year, 6 months, and mine shows 2 days still.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-10 13:56:12 UTC
There are very, very few truly passive income sources.

Data cores used to be good, not anymore. They're still passive, but low income now.
Planetary Interaction is fairly passive, moderate income in highsec, better in low, good in null and WH space.

If I were in your shoes, I'd use the money on skill books, +3 implants and leave the rest for when you start wanting slightly more expensive ships.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-10 13:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Btw, you weren't killed in a 0.6 system. You were killed in a 0.4 system, and a rather busy 0.4 system at that.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18168070

Destroyer needed to be put out of its misery anyway Blink
Couple common fitting mistakes there. Don't dual tank (armour or shield tanking modules, not both). Fit a full rack of the same guns, don't mix and match.
Edit: Also you generally don't mix buffer (or passive) and active tanking. When you have an armour repairer, you want resists, not plates. Plates just give you more raw HP. Resists means you take less damage and makes your repairers more effective (as they have to repair less damage)
Maxx Kilbride
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-10 14:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Maxx Kilbride
Elena Thiesant wrote:
There are very, very few truly passive income sources.

Data cores used to be good, not anymore. They're still passive, but low income now.
Planetary Interaction is fairly passive, moderate income in highsec, better in low, good in null and WH space.

If I were in your shoes, I'd use the money on skill books, +3 implants and leave the rest for when you start wanting slightly more expensive ships.



Yeah, a friend said he'd give me money for all +4 Implants, but I don't need them for like two weeks as I have the booster from my pack, I have 30 in all Attributes. So I don't need them right now. I have been focusing on the Essential skills as well.

As for the above post, I am new, and it seems I somehow got into said sec.

That said, just because it's a Sandbox, why do players kill for no reason? I've played plenty of other Sandbox games and the number of people who kill just because they can is usually low.

It saddens me that EVE is like this.

Just minding my own business.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-10 14:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Maxx Kilbride wrote:
That said, just because it's a Sandbox, why do players kill for no reason? I've played plenty of other Sandbox games and the number of people who kill just because they can is usually low.

It saddens me that EVE is like this.

Just minding my own business.


You were in lowsec. That made you a valid target for anyone who ran across you, no reasons necessary. There's a warning on the lowsec gates for a reason. In this game, you and you alone are responsible for your safety and survival.

They were minding their own business too, their business happens to be killing people.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#15 - 2013-06-10 15:01:00 UTC
Maxx Kilbride wrote:


That said, just because it's a Sandbox, why do players kill for no reason? I've played plenty of other Sandbox games and the number of people who kill just because they can is usually low.



Some ppl see hunting other players and selling the stuff they drop as the quickiest way to get ISK. But usually it happens in low sec zones on the ways to trade hubs or in 0.0. Where chances are to get fat loot. But you seems to fall into other , more rare scenario. This Rakkanar dude is a freak, who kills newbees just because he can. I checked his kill board... And the fact, that "he bragged about killing" you, just mean, that he is a looser in RL, who comes to EVE to raise his selfesteem in low way. Just ignore system he is hunting in and keep going. There are numerous sites, that will help you find out systems with such campers.
Kai-leigh
Deep Space Exploration and Salvage
#16 - 2013-06-10 15:19:16 UTC
Okay for the first question I'd recommend getting the BASIC certificate in the following- Fitting, Capacitor, Defense (active shield OR armor: whichever you are using) Gallente uses Armor for the most part FYI, Gunnery and/or Drones. That will give you a solid starting point and only take at most 4-5 days (more like 1-2 with your boosts). Those will be useful no matter where you end up in EVE. If all else fails, be training something in those areas. If, on a whim you cant decide what to train and you train up for Large Railguns then decide to fly Amarr ships, that time is wasted.

As for the second part, its nice that you aren't just blowing through that ISK like most new players would. To turn some in into more ISK theres 2 basic options:
Play the Market- find where something is in demand, find a cheap place to buy it and make some runs while it lasts.
Planetary Interaction- this is a pretty easy way to setup some passive income, though its not as lucrative as it once was its still good for players getting started. PI Basic Guide

Maxx Kilbride
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-10 22:46:18 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Maxx Kilbride wrote:
That said, just because it's a Sandbox, why do players kill for no reason? I've played plenty of other Sandbox games and the number of people who kill just because they can is usually low.

It saddens me that EVE is like this.

Just minding my own business.


You were in lowsec. That made you a valid target for anyone who ran across you, no reasons necessary. There's a warning on the lowsec gates for a reason. In this game, you and you alone are responsible for your safety and survival.

They were minding their own business too, their business happens to be killing people.



I received no warning at a gate. Nothing. My mission took me there and there was no bold red text telling to expect something new like usual.

The game should have a pop up for the first time you enter low sec, going "Warning: You are entering a dangerous zone, ect ect"
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-06-10 22:50:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Maxx Kilbride wrote:
The game should have a pop up for the first time you enter low sec, going "Warning: You are entering a dangerous zone, ect ect"


It does.
Not just the first time. Everytime unless you check the option saying 'don't show this to me again'

Edit: Specifically, you get this: http://imgur.com/eEkXvdR
Maxx Kilbride
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-10 22:54:41 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Maxx Kilbride wrote:
The game should have a pop up for the first time you enter low sec, going "Warning: You are entering a dangerous zone, ect ect"


It does.
Not just the first time. Everytime unless you check the option saying 'don't show this to me again'



I can totally assure you, it did not. I received no such warning - I didn't even know I was entering Low sec space. Nothing popped up and I certainly wouldn't have disabled such an option.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-06-10 22:57:40 UTC
Maxx Kilbride wrote:
I can totally assure you, it did not. I received no such warning - I didn't even know I was entering Low sec space. Nothing popped up and I certainly wouldn't have disabled such an option.


Then you either disabled the warning or you were autopiloting and ignored the orange and red blocks that the route showed for you.
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