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Situation in Haatomo
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Amann Karris
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-06-10 22:17:07 UTC
My thoughts and prayers go out to the inhabitants of the station, and I hope for a swift resolution to this situation.

On a personal note I stand ready to assist DED in peacekeeping duties or to serve in a humanitarian capacity should the need arise. As an Amarrian citizen I will not take direct action against legitimate Caldari Navy personnel or those allied with the State Protectorate.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2013-06-10 22:28:08 UTC
Mr. Karris,

A peacekeeper unwilling to take action against either party in a conflict is merely a spectator.
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
#23 - 2013-06-10 22:32:23 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
Mr. Karris,

A peacekeeper unwilling to take action against either party in a conflict is merely a spectator.



By 'take action' you mean 'take lives' presumably. Caldari lives. Why does there need to be conflict? Left to some of the people tonight an entire station would have been destroyed with the loss of countless innocents.

I am satisfied that the situation did not escalate to conflict tonight.

Fly Caldari!
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2013-06-10 22:44:59 UTC
There's already conflict.
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-06-10 22:48:16 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
Mr. Karris,

A peacekeeper unwilling to take action against either party in a conflict is merely a spectator.

I did not say I would not take action. I will follow DED direction in any potential conflict and I simply will not strike against certain specified allies. I will also defend myself as I deem fit.

My hope is that this can be handled without bloodshed. My intent is to minimize collateral damage if conflict is inevitable.

I hope that clarifies my stance.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2013-06-10 22:52:09 UTC
It most certainly does.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2013-06-10 23:11:48 UTC
Wiseman-haani;

It is sufficient to act in defense of those who do not escalate the situation. War is just when pursued in defense of self, or those under one's guardianship. If Heth's forces initiate combat against the CEP or Caldari Navy, whose legitimacy cannot be questioned, then it is as an attack against the Caldari citizenry.

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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#28 - 2013-06-10 23:25:19 UTC
At this point, it would seem wise for the CEP, CBT, Kaalakiota, and/or Caldari Constructions to make some sort of statement as to the current status of Tibus Heth. While I am glad to see the CEP taking some sort of action against the clearly mad tyrant that they put in power five years ago, I am also somewhat concerned by the legal precedent for what we are seeing at this point. If Tibus Heth is, as I do not think has been in dispute before, the CEO and Chairman of the Board for Caldari Constructions, this is rather dicey legal territory, although the open collaboration with a known terrorist group wanted by the Caldari State is certainly grounds for legal action.

However, the fact that we have heard nothing about whether Tibus Heth remains CEO of Kaalakiota, if the Home Guard, who I believe are Caldari Constructions' current corporate security provider, will be taking action, if the CEP or Tribunal will be taking action against Caldari Constructions or Kaalakiota, and whether the CEP has abolished the so-called office of the Executor is all of a great deal of concern to those of us trying to pull apart the legal arguments in this situation. While I have little doubt the Navy was acting lawfully in this particularly situation, it is imperative that the State operate in as transparent a way as possible to discourage any notion that these actions are outside the bounds of law.
Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#29 - 2013-06-11 00:06:36 UTC
How fast and hard, this descent.
Cyrus Alabel
Azure Wrath
#30 - 2013-06-11 01:08:10 UTC
Kyoko Sakoda wrote:
How fast and hard, this descent.


I'd like to see the resulting crater.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#31 - 2013-06-11 01:11:26 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Something about this doesn't smell right. I recommend all capsuleers exercise extreme caution and maintain surveillance of Amarrian fleet movements.

Heth's actions being a prelude to an Amarrian invasion of Federation space is about as likely as a Jove jumping out of a cake for my next birthday party and doing a strip dance for all my guests.

Ma'dame Hanaya, while I am loath to agree with Juilanus, his observation has merit.

He didn't imply that the Amarr would be invading the... Federation.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#32 - 2013-06-11 01:27:00 UTC
I support Heth's stance to retake Caldari Prime.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-06-11 01:53:10 UTC
I am uncertain what the future may hold due to this event but what I do expect is no doubt high degrees of posturing, ignorant speculations, cries of impotent outrage, and grandiose statements from the capsuleer community instead of allowing the proper authorities to handle the matter as they should.

Sweet Maker wept, what will be, will be.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#34 - 2013-06-11 01:59:22 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Something about this doesn't smell right. I recommend all capsuleers exercise extreme caution and maintain surveillance of Amarrian fleet movements.


As much as that would be a terrible event, I cannot imagine an event that would better remedy the current tensions between the Federation and Republic than the Empire playing into their reputation for villainy by overstepping their bounds.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2013-06-11 02:03:52 UTC
I am docked at the station. Naturally the upper levels for capsuleers are beyond the reach of even the provists. Things appear quiet. This is only a few jumps from my Navy friends in Tintoh.

We'll be keeping track.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-06-11 02:39:01 UTC
Rioghal Morgan wrote:
As much as that would be a terrible event, I cannot imagine an event that would better remedy the current tensions between the Federation and Republic than the Empire playing into their reputation for villainy by overstepping their bounds.


As much as people keep calling the Empire "the violent and evil conqueror of the peaceful nations around", truth is that it's been many years since we last invaded other state's sovereign space. As things stand, I'd fear a Minmatarr invasion more than an amarrian one, currently the Caldari are the only power they haven't invaded in the last five years.

But, setting this aside, these events trouble me. I don't like the way this is going, and as much as I believe Heth is an unrightful ruler for the State, this ending may bring no good to anyone.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#37 - 2013-06-11 02:59:24 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Something about this doesn't smell right. I recommend all capsuleers exercise extreme caution and maintain surveillance of Amarrian fleet movements.

Heth's actions being a prelude to an Amarrian invasion of Federation space is about as likely as a Jove jumping out of a cake for my next birthday party and doing a strip dance for all my guests.

Ma'dame Hanaya, while I am loath to agree with Juilanus, his observation has merit.

He didn't imply that the Amarr would be invading the... Federation.

I see.

Let me amend my previous statement then.

"... a Jove leaping out of by birthday cake and doing a strip dance while Julianus Soter manages to express an intelligent, meaningful thought."

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-06-11 03:26:48 UTC
What's this now.

I suppose I will show up to see de fireworks.
Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#39 - 2013-06-11 03:36:56 UTC
Sepherim wrote:


As much as people keep calling the Empire "the violent and evil conqueror of the peaceful nations around", truth is that it's been many years since we last invaded other state's sovereign space. As things stand, I'd fear a Minmatarr invasion more than an amarrian one, currently the Caldari are the only power they haven't invaded in the last five years.

But, setting this aside, these events trouble me. I don't like the way this is going, and as much as I believe Heth is an unrightful ruler for the State, this ending may bring no good to anyone.


True enough but as I'm sure you're aware, many would consider your continuing enslavement of foreign peoples and your attempts to annihilate their culture in order to replace it with your own as more than enough justification to still think of you as the evil empire. Even as shocking as the Republic's backstabbing of the Federation is, I doubt the Tribal Council could possibly be stupid enough to out and out sever contact with the only power dissuading the Amarr from launching a a new Reclaiming by invading the Federation.

Regardless, I've gone off on a tangent to the topic at hand. I wish the Caldari people well in resolving this situation.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#40 - 2013-06-11 03:44:04 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Something about this doesn't smell right. I recommend all capsuleers exercise extreme caution and maintain surveillance of Amarrian fleet movements.

Heth's actions being a prelude to an Amarrian invasion of Federation space is about as likely as a Jove jumping out of a cake for my next birthday party and doing a strip dance for all my guests.

Ma'dame Hanaya, while I am loath to agree with Juilanus, his observation has merit.

He didn't imply that the Amarr would be invading the... Federation.

I see.

Let me amend my previous statement then.

"... a Jove leaping out of by birthday cake and doing a strip dance while Julianus Soter manages to express an intelligent, meaningful thought."


I am so terribly wounded by some mid-level Ishuk-Raata scourge of non-capsuleer pirates calling me an imbecile.

But since there are real human lives at stake here, I'll put aside it aside, and clarify my statement.

CAESA. The Caldari-Amarrian Economic Stimulus Agreement. Someone better start digging up the bylaws and start figuring out how to fight a war on two fronts, against Heth and the Empress.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/