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Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#21 - 2013-06-10 18:05:40 UTC
I don't understand why this thread is still up in MD. It's both a duplicate thread and Sell Forum thread. Or are we allowed to advertise businesses here?
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
#22 - 2013-06-10 18:55:13 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Oh come on guys, it's not that complicated. She's already given you all the hints a monkey would need.

She's a collateral error exploiter, a perfectly valid and profitable business. Tons of people scour public contracts for courier contracts where it's possible that the cargo value is higher than the collateral. Think of it as the bargain basement of Eve.

Problem is, there are enough people doing this that it's hard to compete. Solution? Offer haulage for free, and suddenly you have your own private collection of contracts to sift through at your leisure. All it takes is 1-2 collateral mistakes per month, and the toon is making vastly more than through honest hauling.

No plastic wraps, no containers. Let me see what I'm hauling so I can easily decide which contracts to fail.

No creativity, but the fact that no one sees the play is even sadder.



There isn't a 'play' if you properly collateralize your shipments. I mean.. part of me wanted her to be a scam so that I could get all the ISK for my product upfront instead of waiting for it to sell.

If her exploiting the careless allows us to cautiously receive something for free.. I see no problems with it. I am sure she is seeing some good intel on what is moving where, who is moving what, and picking up loads that are worth more than the collateral.. but that doesn't bother me when I am cutting 10 million from my bottom line and cutting out the hassle of logistics.

"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli." 
Alliria Seedspawn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-06-10 19:39:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alliria Seedspawn
Esan Vartesa wrote:


No plastic wraps, no containers. Let me see what I'm hauling so I can easily decide which contracts to fail.


I can see inside plastic wraps and assembled containers. People scanning my ship's cargo cannot, but I can. I have this requirement for two reasons.

1. Since those with cargo scanners cannot see inside plastic wrap and assembled containers, it makes my freighter more likely to be ganked. Even Red Frog actively encourages no assembled containers, and they prohibit their pilots from plastic wrapping the cargo. In fact, if a Red Frog pilot does plastic wrap it, they are not covered by White Frog insurance for that haul.

2. I cannot create a contract to my freighter alt if there are assembled containers or plastic wrap in the courier contract. This means that I have to fly to both the pick up and drop off destinations with this toon so that I can station trade the contract to complete the haul. This is a hassle, and not something I want to do when offering free services.

Vincenzo Arbosa wrote:
I am sure she is seeing some good intel on what is moving where, who is moving what, and picking up loads that are worth more than the collateral.. but that doesn't bother me when I am cutting 10 million from my bottom line and cutting out the hassle of logistics.


You give me too much credit Vincenzo. Though there's no way I can prove this, I can assure everyone that I most certainly am not doing this. It's too much work! Lol...I have a hard enough time keeping track of my jumps / m3 / collateral stats. This is just something to do with my freighter alts while I'm off doing other things on this toon.
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
#24 - 2013-06-10 20:45:10 UTC
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You give me too much credit Vincenzo. Though there's no way I can prove this, I can assure everyone that I most certainly am not doing this. It's too much work! Lol...I have a hard enough time keeping track of my jumps / m3 / collateral stats. This is just something to do with my freighter alts while I'm off doing other things on this toon.


Well then feel free to export and send me a list of the contracts you move, what they are and who sent them where. I will gladly make use of the information. Lol.

"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli." 
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#25 - 2013-06-11 14:45:20 UTC
Alliria Seedspawn wrote:
So that my alt doesn't just sit around while I pay for the subscription. I need the alt to bring me ships and such every now and then, but the rest of the time, he sits around. I can haul things for other people for free to be a nice person and make others lives easier.

Take 30 seconds of my time to do something nice for others that shouldn't cost me more than a few thousand in contract fees...why not?


Price isn't everything. I'd like my stuff moved for free, or at least cheaper than the rates PushX offers, but some months ago, I contracted with first one solo hauler, then a different solo hauler, to move my stuff for cheaper than Push X. It didn't work. Often my stuff sat unmoved, and my 3-day contracts, even 7-day contracts, expired.

I'm a trader. I need my stuff moved. It's not "hey, I'd like this moved from A to B". No, it's "hey, I need this moved from A to B". I don't need fast, but I do need it moved within the agreed-upon time frame, usually 3 days.

PushX gives me that. Unless there's a Jita congestion problem (like most, I often need stuff moved to or from Jita), they almost always move my stuff within 48 hours, and often within 18-22 hours.

PushX is a corporation. They have a reputation to protect. If they suddenly start failing to accept lots of contracts, so that customers sit there grumbling over stuff not moved, that reputation will become damaged, due to the public voicing of legitmate claims about service unreliability.

You're not a corporation. You're a sole individual. You basically don't have a reputation to protect. If you start failing to deliver service on time, e.g. because you lose interest (possibly because of lack of motivation), and your reputation suffers from it, you can just dive under the surface, and stay down, forever or at least for a couple of years.

That's the real collaretal involved here. Not the ISK, but the reputation.
Alliria Seedspawn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-11 16:15:28 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Price isn't everything. I'd like my stuff moved for free, or at least cheaper than the rates PushX offers, but some months ago, I contracted with first one solo hauler, then a different solo hauler, to move my stuff for cheaper than Push X. It didn't work. Often my stuff sat unmoved, and my 3-day contracts, even 7-day contracts, expired.

I'm a trader. I need my stuff moved. It's not "hey, I'd like this moved from A to B". No, it's "hey, I need this moved from A to B". I don't need fast, but I do need it moved within the agreed-upon time frame, usually 3 days.

PushX gives me that. Unless there's a Jita congestion problem (like most, I often need stuff moved to or from Jita), they almost always move my stuff within 48 hours, and often within 18-22 hours.

PushX is a corporation. They have a reputation to protect. If they suddenly start failing to accept lots of contracts, so that customers sit there grumbling over stuff not moved, that reputation will become damaged, due to the public voicing of legitmate claims about service unreliability.

You're not a corporation. You're a sole individual. You basically don't have a reputation to protect. If you start failing to deliver service on time, e.g. because you lose interest (possibly because of lack of motivation), and your reputation suffers from it, you can just dive under the surface, and stay down, forever or at least for a couple of years.

That's the real collaretal involved here. Not the ISK, but the reputation.


That is the best argument / concern I've heard yet. Very valid points, but I do have a reputation to protect if I want to actually get loads to run, albeit an extremely smaller reputation than Red Frog or PushX. They are the UPS and FedEx of Eve, but does that mean the much smaller and lesser known local courier company isn't reliable and competent?

Other solo artists have let you down in the past, and that's unfortunate, but does that mean that all solo artists are as unreliable as the ones you've tried in the past? Probably not, but I do understand being burned and not wanting to take that risk again. Be that as it may, have you tried using me, and have I let you down yet? I hope you'll give me a shot with some of your less time sensitive runs so that I can build up the rapport and trust that your contracts will be completed on time.

Would it make people feel better about utilizing my services if I created a corporation for this, instead of the way I'm doing it now?
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