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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Gallente Talos

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Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#281 - 2011-11-06 21:21:48 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Check this out

Just saw it from another thread. LolQuestion

SISI is going crazy Lol

tornado is so broken
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#282 - 2011-11-06 21:34:45 UTC
ViperLok wrote:
The Talos is perfect, If anything It needs a speed nerf. So I can keep killing Gallente ships in my Hulk.


Needs speed nerf ? Check Sisi. CCP created new lol gang modules and i saw on test server again a vagabond which flew over 16k speed. LOL
CCP and their logic ? Who understand them ?
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#283 - 2011-11-06 22:54:37 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Check this out

Just saw it from another thread. LolQuestion

SISI is going crazy Lol



Thats just awsome! Winter Expation 2011 Trust in Rust Pirate

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Machti Nutako
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#284 - 2011-11-07 04:08:53 UTC
Rip Minner wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Check this out

Just saw it from another thread. LolQuestion

SISI is going crazy Lol



Thats just awsome! Winter Expation 2011 Trust in Rust Pirate


Im pretty sure its in rust we trust, but that works too P
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#285 - 2011-11-07 07:06:15 UTC
Machti Nutako wrote:
Rip Minner wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Check this out

Just saw it from another thread. LolQuestion

SISI is going crazy Lol



Thats just awsome! Winter Expation 2011 Trust in Rust Pirate


Im pretty sure its in rust we trust, but that works too P



Ya but the time spand has been years now and added to the New useless Hybird BC and the Hybird/Tech 2 ammo changes that looks like it's going to buff Auto Cannons even more then Blasters.

I felt it was time we reworked that saying alittle.Pirate

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Gabrielle Rammaninov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#286 - 2011-11-07 07:35:45 UTC
Yeah "awsome" ... at the moment on SISI the Talos has neither drones or web bonus ... that's so logical on a pvp large turret ship... hurray for the whiners. So what's the advantage over a Mega with the same dps, more tank, more med slots, drones and prolly very close price wise.
Gustav Knuttsen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#287 - 2011-11-07 12:50:41 UTC
Gabrielle Rammaninov wrote:
Yeah "awsome" ... at the moment on SISI the Talos has neither drones or web bonus ... that's so logical on a pvp large turret ship... hurray for the whiners. So what's the advantage over a Mega with the same dps, more tank, more med slots, drones and prolly very close price wise.


You dont understand !!!! Its tourist ship !!! YACHT !! Dont be idiot gallente are peaceful race we don't need any weapons !

CCP please Nerf Gallente they are OP as Hell we want peace love and unity !
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#288 - 2011-11-07 18:53:10 UTC
Gustav Knuttsen wrote:
Gabrielle Rammaninov wrote:
Yeah "awsome" ... at the moment on SISI the Talos has neither drones or web bonus ... that's so logical on a pvp large turret ship... hurray for the whiners. So what's the advantage over a Mega with the same dps, more tank, more med slots, drones and prolly very close price wise.


You dont understand !!!! Its tourist ship !!! YACHT !! Dont be idiot gallente are peaceful race we don't need any weapons !

CCP please Nerf Gallente they are OP as Hell we want peace love and unity !


That's why I fly Angel and Minmatar stuff over my first race, I'm a rebel !! Twisted
Angeliena
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#289 - 2011-11-08 18:03:45 UTC
If you remove the ship's web bonus, then pealse increase the game's base T2 web strength to 75%.
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#290 - 2011-11-08 18:07:39 UTC
brutix is still better then the talos atm on the sisi server.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#291 - 2011-11-08 22:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Edit: forget it, I'm wasting my Latin and my time while I could have some fun playing BF3 or WOT
Blind Furry
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#292 - 2011-11-11 20:38:21 UTC
I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#293 - 2011-11-11 20:54:58 UTC
So this is one thing I have not seen said yet to make the Close range Blaster Boat work is to give it a +1 to warp so it makes the kiting ships come in close if they want to pin it down it not they can just warp away.
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#294 - 2011-11-12 01:33:59 UTC
Looks like a beautiful ship, one of the best in the gal fleet, but I'm forced to pre-judge it as a failure vs most any target i can think of ( except the Naga which might be worse ).

When AC's, which are supposed to be a close range weapon, can hit at 30+ and Pulse can easily hit out of web and scram range you're just going to DIAF with this ship.

Unless there's a NOS button on the dashboard this will be relegated to level 3's in no time it seems.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#295 - 2011-11-12 02:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Blind Furry wrote:
I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't



Let it drop, seems you didn't understood yet that 3 years and hundreds of pages of players feedback were useless and the new sticky's are mostly...jokes? (hybrids/ammo stuff allente bc)

Come back after the expansion see why it's a loss of our time. I'l receive you with my new Tornado's hugs Lol

Edit: Because I can !
Etyrnyl
Jester's Fleet
Jester's Alliance
#296 - 2011-11-12 04:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Etyrnyl
I have been playing on Sisi a bit with the Talos, and have created a fit, which would be all out carnage. Although, this fit does not have much of a tank resistance wise, it dishes out some serious damage.

[High]
8X Netron Blaster II

[Med]
10 MN MWD
Stasis Webifier II
2 Large Shield Extenders II's

[Low]
3X Magnetic Field Stabilizer II's
2X Tracking Enhancer II's

Unfortunately, no drones

Using T2 ammo, I get 1150 dps with Void, 822 dps with Null.
Ranges are 8774 m with Void, 14.6 km with Null.
Falloffs are 9833 m with Void, 24.5 km with Null.
Ship speed is 275 m/s without MWD, 1550 m/s with MWD.
Eve effective HP are 16,262.
Targeting range is 87.5 km, Sig radius is 270.
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#297 - 2011-11-12 05:36:05 UTC
[quote=Etyrnyl]I have been playing on Sisi a bit with the Talos, and have created a fit, which would be all out carnage. Although, this fit does not have much of a tank resistance wise, it dishes out some serious damage.

[High]
8X Netron Blaster II

[Med]
10 MN MWD
Stasis Webifier II
2 Large Shield Extenders II's

[Low]
3X Magnetic Field Stabilizer II's
2X Tracking Enhancer II's


Using T2 ammo, I get 1150 dps with Void, 822 dps with Null.
Ranges are 8774 m with Void, 14.6 km with Null.
Falloffs are 9833 m with Void, 24.5 km with Null.
Ship speed is 275 m/s without MWD, 1550 m/s with MWD.


It's hard to judge the exact fit in the Win-Nado vid referenced above but it seems to use dual webs so that means it's up close in void range and with the same dual LSE 2 tank as this talos is should melt.

8774+9833 for Void = anything close enough to web or scram you dies ( if you can track it )

14.6 + 24.5 for Null = anything that tries to kite you with a point had better have a good tank.

It's not like this bc gets the usual and semi useless rep bonus or an armor resist bonus so this might turn out to be not so bad after all.

With this kind of dps you can even consider dropping the 3'rd mag stab for something equally useful, OD, Nano Fiber, or an I-Stab.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#298 - 2011-11-12 09:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
Blind Furry wrote:
I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't



Ya that is kind of funny but I honstly think that the Caldira ship is just as bad off as we are and there post is still stickied.

But that just mite mean that there going to fix the Caldira ship by leting it have some good old missile fun. But were still stuck with Hybirds on Gallente.

But for real the Gallente one would be better off if they just droped the hybird weapons off of it and let it have a massive drone bay and double bandwidth and launch 10 drones at one time.

Edit: But that would probly just reeks to much of Fail Hybird balanceing and after how many years now?

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#299 - 2011-11-12 09:14:13 UTC
Blind Furry wrote:
I find it interesting that the ship players seem to feel need fixing before it's released has been dropped from the sticky threads but the other 3 that are getting + reviews haven't


This leaves me with a sense of foreboding ... the bad traits and practices of yore at CCP return, a retreat from the hard choices necessary to achieve game balance?

I hope I'm wrong...
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#300 - 2011-11-12 16:30:17 UTC
Etyrnyl wrote:
I have been playing on Sisi a bit with the Talos, and have created a fit, which would be all out carnage. Although, this fit does not have much of a tank resistance wise, it dishes out some serious damage.

[High]
8X Netron Blaster II

[Med]
10 MN MWD
Stasis Webifier II
2 Large Shield Extenders II's

[Low]
3X Magnetic Field Stabilizer II's
2X Tracking Enhancer II's

Unfortunately, no drones

Using T2 ammo, I get 1150 dps with Void, 822 dps with Null.
Ranges are 8774 m with Void, 14.6 km with Null.
Falloffs are 9833 m with Void, 24.5 km with Null.
Ship speed is 275 m/s without MWD, 1550 m/s with MWD.
Eve effective HP are 16,262.
Targeting range is 87.5 km, Sig radius is 270.



Again this is the set up I've tested, what conclusions can you take out of it?

1st a blaster ship meant to ARMOR tank (see shadoo Lol ) has better dmg projection and dps with shield tank

2nd if you want the same dmg projection dps than with shield fit you need at least 9 low slots but still in need at least 3 med slots.

Witch brings me to the simple conclusion, Talos is a pure fail like it is right now on SISI and will be on TQ if it ever gets out there alike.

W8 you can gank miners at 1km...cool stuff Blink