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Not many ships use large weapons. . .new class needed?
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Chung DanYul
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-10 13:16:42 UTC
I was thinking about cruisers and battle cruisers, frigates and destroyers. . .

We have frigates and cruisers and then the ships that are the daddy over those like destroyers and battle cruisers. In the case of battleships, they just jumped to the daddy big ships with big guns. . .

Why not have a new class of ship that uses large weapons and perhaps call them heavy cruisers. . .

They would have the same dynamic of cruisers except use large weapons. . . This would add some variety to game play and make new fleet possibilities. . . and give the battleships something to pawn other than just each other. . .
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#2 - 2013-06-10 13:21:40 UTC
For T1s

Frigates and destroyers use small weapons
Cruisers and Combat Battle-cruisers use medium weapons
Attack Battle-cruisers and Battleships use large weapons
Capital ships use capital weapons.

Where is the problem?
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-06-10 13:22:59 UTC
Chung DanYul
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-06-10 13:27:45 UTC
overpowered maybe, its not that there is a problem - just tossing out ideas. . .
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-06-10 13:40:10 UTC
Chung DanYul wrote:
overpowered maybe, its not that there is a problem - just tossing out ideas. . .


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Rual Storge
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-10 13:51:26 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
For T1s

Frigates and destroyers use small weapons
Cruisers and Combat Battle-cruisers use medium weapons
Attack Battle-cruisers and Battleships use large weapons
Capital ships use capital weapons.

Where is the problem?


Need anti supercapital weopons. Like dread bomb launcher than does exponentialy moar damage, the more supers there are on grid where the max is 10 supers in 120 km (repping range) radius before 1 bomb can kill them all like a doomsday device!!

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-06-10 15:03:21 UTC
I want a frigate that shoots torpedoes...

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#8 - 2013-06-10 15:10:32 UTC
T1 Battleships x12
Navy Battleships x8
Pirate Battleships x5
Tier 3 Battlecruisers (not sure what they're called now) x4
Marauders x4
Stealth Bombers x4

37 ships which use large weapons. That's quite a lot.

Oh god.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-06-10 15:27:18 UTC
i would prefer to see a new type of destroyer who can fit medium weapons....wait, that would rend cruisers useless...
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#10 - 2013-06-10 15:30:52 UTC
What a brilliant idea. Quickly take a timemachine so you can get credit for the idea.

Silivar Karkun wrote:
i would prefer to see a new type of destroyer who can fit medium weapons....wait, that would rend cruisers useless...


They are already in game and they are called attack cruisers (Stabber, Omen, Caracal and Thorax)

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-06-10 15:37:41 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
T1 Battleships x12
Navy Battleships x8
Pirate Battleships x5
Tier 3 Battlecruisers (not sure what they're called now) x4
Marauders x4
Stealth Bombers x4

37 ships which use large weapons. That's quite a lot.

+4 Black Ops
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
#12 - 2013-06-10 16:21:23 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
T1 Battleships x12
Navy Battleships x8
Pirate Battleships x5
Tier 3 Battlecruisers (not sure what they're called now) x4
Marauders x4
Stealth Bombers x4

37 ships which use large weapons. That's quite a lot.

+4 Black Ops


- 1 Scorpion has no Weapon bonus at all, so while it can fit large weapons its not build for them
Baren
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-06-10 19:10:49 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
T1 Battleships x12
Navy Battleships x8
Pirate Battleships x5
Tier 3 Battlecruisers (not sure what they're called now) x4
Marauders x4
Stealth Bombers x4

37 ships which use large weapons. That's quite a lot.

+4 Black Ops


Lets go talk about Medium Weapons

t1 cruisers x 16
Heavy assult x 8
Heavy interdictors x 4
Recons x 8
t3 cruisers x 4
Battlecruisers x 8
Navy cruisers x 8
pirate cruisers x 5

for a total of 61... 61 with medium weapons vs 37 with Large ..... 41 is you want to count stleath bombers.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#14 - 2013-06-10 19:31:59 UTC
Attack Battlecruisers are exactly what you're asking for.
Griffin Rhys
Kalmincon
#15 - 2013-06-11 01:34:02 UTC
Alberik wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
T1 Battleships x12
Navy Battleships x8
Pirate Battleships x5
Tier 3 Battlecruisers (not sure what they're called now) x4
Marauders x4
Stealth Bombers x4

37 ships which use large weapons. That's quite a lot.

+4 Black Ops


- 1 Scorpion has no Weapon bonus at all, so while it can fit large weapons its not build for them


What the hell does having no bonused weapons have to do with what size weapons a ship was built to take?

Odd that you didn't discount the Armageddon and Dominix. Then again, you'd still be wrong even if you had.
Griffin Rhys
Kalmincon
#16 - 2013-06-11 01:38:04 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
T1 Battleships x12
Navy Battleships x8
Pirate Battleships x5
Tier 3 Battlecruisers (not sure what they're called now) x4
Marauders x4
Stealth Bombers x4

37 ships which use large weapons. That's quite a lot.

+4 Black Ops



You could also include the 6 Special Edition BS's.
Chung DanYul
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-06-11 02:10:21 UTC
Baren wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
T1 Battleships x12
Navy Battleships x8
Pirate Battleships x5
Tier 3 Battlecruisers (not sure what they're called now) x4
Marauders x4
Stealth Bombers x4

37 ships which use large weapons. That's quite a lot.

+4 Black Ops


Lets go talk about Medium Weapons

t1 cruisers x 16
Heavy assult x 8
Heavy interdictors x 4
Recons x 8
t3 cruisers x 4
Battlecruisers x 8
Navy cruisers x 8
pirate cruisers x 5

for a total of 61... 61 with medium weapons vs 37 with Large ..... 41 is you want to count stleath bombers.




Thank you! That was my point. . . all the battle ships have 6-8 turrets, what about smaller faster ships with large guns that have 3-5 turrets like the cruisers. . .
Chung DanYul
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-06-11 02:11:52 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Attack Battlecruisers are exactly what you're asking for.


Not exactly. . . they have lots of guns and low hp. . . something more inbetween bs and attack bc . . . like a "large" cruiser. . .
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-11 02:31:47 UTC
Might as well include any and every ship with at least 25mb bandwidth since they can deploy heavy and sentry drones which do qualify as "large weapons." There are three frigates (ishkur, worm, and tristan) that can field them, two destroyers (dragoon and algos), 31 or so cruisers, and 21 battlecruisers that can all field at least one heavy/sentry drone. Even if you go to ships that can field at least three heavy/sentry drones and/or have drone damage bonuses you'll be adding a decent number of ships to the list.

With a minimum of 3 sentry/heavy drones deployed as a minimum you've got three BCs and five cruisers for 8 ships (of which only the eos' drones are unbonused), and if you go with the maximum of any ship that can field a heavy/sentry drone it's 57 ships.

Frankly, rather than dicker over whether or not there needs to be yet another ship that can field a bunch of heavy/sentry drones or large high-slot-mounted weapons I'd rather see discussion about whether or not there should be a destroyer-like anti-cruiser platform based on a battleship hull complete with bonuses to medium turrets. Twisted