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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#181 - 2013-06-10 12:23:49 UTC
Removing skill point loss is something I can definitely agree with. I'd hope CCP have plans for that already.

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#182 - 2013-06-10 12:23:57 UTC
Pacifyn wrote:
Rather than overly nerf T3s, why not just give t2's a decent boost so they are slightly better then t3s, and get rid of that ******** off grid boosting.



You just invalidated all t1 cruisers and BCs along with a few battleships.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#183 - 2013-06-10 12:24:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Donedy wrote:
So you're saying T3 should be better than T1 right?
Not necessarily, no. T3 should offer something different that T1, and whether it's better or not will depend on the context — not the ship.

Quote:
Your posts are not logic m8, you're telling something in a post, the contrary in the following.
Nope. It's a single consistent line. The problem is perhaps that you're being lifted out of the simple world of line-land and into the (still fairly simply) flatland… Blink

…for our next trick, we'll pull you of that and into 3D space — hope you're not prone to vertigo.

So why fly T3?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#184 - 2013-06-10 12:26:59 UTC
Donedy wrote:

So why fly T3?


Same reason I fly an Enyo over another t1 frigate.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2013-06-10 12:27:04 UTC
Donedy wrote:
So why fly T3?

I could say "why not fly T3?", but that's too silly of me to ask.

instead I ask, "why not wait for CCP to come up with whatever ideas they have?"


granted however, that CCP likes to apply the "nuke to kill fly" approach on nerfs, but lately I can see that thay have it done right-ish on the Tiericide 'till now.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#186 - 2013-06-10 12:33:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Grimpak wrote:
Donedy wrote:
Cmon, thats the ccp statement. And you see my point dont try to procrastinate.

your point being "I have a ship that cost 100000billion and performs better than everything so I should win 100% of time so you better get the same ship as me"?

yes, let's get back to the same thing I said above. let's remove all the ships in game and introduce a single ship with a single gun. Let's call it Smurgecarrier since it carries a smurgeblaster...

Donedy wrote:
Soon people will ask to ccp to nerf blobs...

they tried. It's called Titans armed with Doomsday Devices and they had AoE that was aimable at a cyno grids away.



didn't worked that well, from what I recall...

You know you're wrong.

You can have the best ship in eve, and pay it thousands of billions, you always can be blobbed, so you cant win 100% of the time.

If you were right, the guys with AT ships would be winning 100% of the time.

And yes, i like to kill/fly shiny stuff so i would like "shiny" to still means something.
Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#187 - 2013-06-10 12:35:39 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Simple lesson from the Gnosis.


Dammit, I want to address this, but it's so far back...

The Gnosis is a prime example of, in my opinion, the jack of all trades, master of none. The reason why the T3 will be better able to perform than a Gnosis (in context) is the fact that pilots will be able to customize it to be better in certain areas, worse in others. So we won't suffer from a Gnosis problem.

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#188 - 2013-06-10 12:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Grimpak wrote:
Donedy wrote:
So why fly T3?

I could say "why not fly T3?", but that's too silly of me to ask.

instead I ask, "why not wait for CCP to come up with whatever ideas they have?"


granted however, that CCP likes to apply the "nuke to kill fly" approach on nerfs, but lately I can see that thay have it done right-ish on the Tiericide 'till now.

You're not asking because its obvious : because its 10x more expensive than T1 (only for the scrub fits), because you loose sp when tou loose the ships
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#189 - 2013-06-10 12:38:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Donedy wrote:

So why fly T3?


Same reason I fly an Enyo over another t1 frigate.

Yup, because T2 frigs > T1 frigs
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#190 - 2013-06-10 12:38:42 UTC
Donedy wrote:
You're not asking because its obvious : because its 10x more expensive than T1

What if they are made a lot cheaper?

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#191 - 2013-06-10 12:39:43 UTC
Donedy wrote:

Yup, because T2 frigs > T1 frigs


But t1 frigs will now kill t2 frigs. They are balanced, just as t3 cruisers will be.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#192 - 2013-06-10 12:40:38 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Donedy wrote:
You're not asking because its obvious : because its 10x more expensive than T1

What if they are made a lot cheaper?

What if we suppress the skill training for T2? Why do we have a T2 actually? Where i am? Why am I here? uh? what?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2013-06-10 12:40:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Donedy wrote:
You know you're wrong.

You can have the best ship in eve, and pay it thousands of billions, you always can be blobbed, so you cant win 100% of the time.

If you were right, the guys with AT ships would be winning 100% of the time.

And yes, i like to kill/fly shiny stuff so i would like "shiny" to still means something.


blobs kill anything irregardless. even if said blobs are made of the best ships.

also, I can agree with the part of killing shiny stuff, but in this game that's supposed to be rare, like the ships in Entity's collection.

other kind of "shiny" exists out of this game, but that's either theme-park games, or P2W.


also, if by me being "wrong" means that you're "wrong" too, then mission accomplished.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#194 - 2013-06-10 12:41:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Donedy wrote:

Yup, because T2 frigs > T1 frigs


But t1 frigs will now kill t2 frigs. They are balanced, just as t3 cruisers will be.

You can already kill T3s with T1, so its already balanced?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2013-06-10 12:43:26 UTC
Donedy wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Donedy wrote:

Yup, because T2 frigs > T1 frigs


But t1 frigs will now kill t2 frigs. They are balanced, just as t3 cruisers will be.

You can already kill T3s with T1, so its already balanced?

depends on what T1 you're talking to.

I can kill a T3 cruiser with a T1 carrier.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#196 - 2013-06-10 12:46:57 UTC
Donedy wrote:

You can already kill T3s with T1, so its already balanced?


because a t3 having over 6 times as much tank as a t1 cruiser is balanced.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#197 - 2013-06-10 12:48:04 UTC
Im talking about cruisers, BCs, BS, even frigs, who know.
Its just a matter of brain, fits, situation and stuff.

Okay, its hard with a T1 cruiser, but its till doable. and not so hard if you adapt your fit to the situation.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#198 - 2013-06-10 12:48:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Donedy wrote:

You can already kill T3s with T1, so its already balanced?


because a t3 having over 6 times as much tank as a t1 cruiser is balanced.

YES YES YES YES
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#199 - 2013-06-10 12:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Donedy wrote:
Im talking about cruisers, BCs, BS, even frigs, who know.
Its just a matter of brain, fits, situation and stuff.

Okay, its hard with a T1 cruiser, but its till doable. and not so hard if you adapt your fit to the situation.


On staurday a single legion wiped out a whole test gang of talwars solo before the rest of the fleet could warp to a gate. We use tengu because they are better at being a drake than the drake is.

There is no getting around the fact that t3 cruisers are horribly overpowered.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#200 - 2013-06-10 12:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
baltec1 wrote:
Donedy wrote:
Im talking about cruisers, BCs, BS, even frigs, who know.
Its just a matter of brain, fits, situation and stuff.

Okay, its hard with a T1 cruiser, but its till doable. and not so hard if you adapt your fit to the situation.


On staurday a single legion wiped out a whole test gang of talwars solo before the rest of the fleet could warp to a gate. We use tengu because they are better at being a drake than the drake is.

There is no getting around the fact that t3 cruisers are horribly overpowered.

Its not my fault if TEST are terrible.
Also, i agree that the tengu is OP, but for completely different reasons than yourth, that im not gonna explain now cause i dont have the time.

My point is T3 are not as OP as everyone is yelling here.