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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#121 - 2013-06-10 09:28:17 UTC
Sushi Nardieu wrote:
Nobody wants Tech IIIs to be crap CCP. Nor do they want to consider buying a 500 mil hull when the Tech II variant is about the same.


They dont cost 500 mil even when fitted.

Also Look at how much more you pay for a vindi over a normal megathron. Thats what T3s should be like over t1s.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#122 - 2013-06-10 10:03:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sushi Nardieu wrote:
Nobody wants Tech IIIs to be crap CCP. Nor do they want to consider buying a 500 mil hull when the Tech II variant is about the same.


They dont cost 500 mil even when fitted.

Also Look at how much more you pay for a vindi over a normal megathron. Thats what T3s should be like over t1s.


T3s should be the ultimate in subcapital DPS and Tank. Period.

they use advanced sleeper AI interlocking mechanisms with melted capacitors and LORE.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#123 - 2013-06-10 10:13:15 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
T3s should be the ultimate in subcapital DPS and Tank. Period.
Your standard trolling aside (and seeing as how there are plenty of genuine fools who actually belive this nonsense)…

No, they shouldn't for the simple reason that nothing should. The fact that they're close to it is perhaps the best argument for their eventual and inevitable nerfing.
Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#124 - 2013-06-10 10:13:26 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
T3s should be the ultimate in subcapital DPS and Tank. Period.

they use advanced sleeper AI interlocking mechanisms with melted capacitors and LORE.


I'm a fan of lore and backstory as much as the next guy, and doubly so for EVE Online. But even I know that gameplay will always trump lore.

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#125 - 2013-06-10 10:41:10 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sushi Nardieu wrote:
Nobody wants Tech IIIs to be crap CCP. Nor do they want to consider buying a 500 mil hull when the Tech II variant is about the same.


They dont cost 500 mil even when fitted.

Also Look at how much more you pay for a vindi over a normal megathron. Thats what T3s should be like over t1s.


T3s should be the ultimate in subcapital DPS and Tank. Period.

they use advanced sleeper AI interlocking mechanisms with melted capacitors and LORE.


pfahahah oh god get a load of this guy
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#126 - 2013-06-10 10:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Tippia wrote:
Tom Gerard wrote:
T3s should be the ultimate in subcapital DPS and Tank. Period.
Your standard trolling aside (and seeing as how there are plenty of genuine fools who actually belive this nonsense)…

No, they shouldn't for the simple reason that nothing should. The fact that they're close to it is perhaps the best argument for their eventual and inevitable nerfing.


"Yeah, lets have T3 with the same tank/dps than T1.
Actually, please CCP remove all combat ships from the game except noob ships, its the only way EVE can be balanced."

How any subcap hull shouldnt have the best tank/dps of subcaps? THAT, is non sense.
Lexmana
#127 - 2013-06-10 10:54:30 UTC
Donedy wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Tom Gerard wrote:
T3s should be the ultimate in subcapital DPS and Tank. Period.
Your standard trolling aside (and seeing as how there are plenty of genuine fools who actually belive this nonsense)…

No, they shouldn't for the simple reason that nothing should. The fact that they're close to it is perhaps the best argument for their eventual and inevitable nerfing.


"Yeah, lets have T3 with the same tank/dps than T1.
Actually, please CCP remove all combat ships from the game except noob ships, its the only way EVE can be balanced."

How any subcap hull shouldnt have the best tank/dps of subcaps? THAT, is non sense.

I am glad you are not a game designer. Your world is a little too black and white for that. And I can asure you that even after they rebalance T3s there will still be a subcap that has the best tank/dps.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#128 - 2013-06-10 10:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Oh really?

I know my english is bad, but make an effort mate, reread my last post i think you can understand.

Random guy 1 : "This is blue!"
Random guy 2 : "NO, and im glad you're not a color professional, this is blue!"
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#129 - 2013-06-10 11:00:43 UTC
Donedy wrote:
How any subcap hull shouldnt have the best tank/dps of subcaps? THAT, is non sense.

Because there should be many hulls with competitive stats and capabilities. This creates a richer PvP experience with far more variety in tactics and strategies. It also opens up a lot more options for a lot more pilots and makes PvP more accessible to players no matter which races they have invested in.

Oh god.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2013-06-10 11:05:23 UTC
Donedy wrote:
Oh really?

I know my english is bad, but make an effort mate, reread my last post i think you can understand.

Random guy 1 : "This is blue!"
Random guy 2 : "NO, and im glad you're not a color professional, this is blue!"

good man, if we all went with your ideas, there should be only 1 ship with 1 gun in the entire game.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#131 - 2013-06-10 11:05:38 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Donedy wrote:
How any subcap hull shouldnt have the best tank/dps of subcaps? THAT, is non sense.

Because there should be many hulls with competitive stats and capabilities. This creates a richer PvP experience with far more variety in tactics and strategies. It also opens up a lot more options for a lot more pilots and makes PvP more accessible to players no matter which races they have invested in.


That's his point exactly, he's just a french gimp so he can't really express it.
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#132 - 2013-06-10 11:06:06 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Donedy wrote:
Oh really?

I know my english is bad, but make an effort mate, reread my last post i think you can understand.

Random guy 1 : "This is blue!"
Random guy 2 : "NO, and im glad you're not a color professional, this is blue!"

good man, if we all went with your ideas, there should be only 1 ship with 1 gun in the entire game.


http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

Sweet lets do fallacy bingo!
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#133 - 2013-06-10 11:09:19 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Donedy wrote:
How any subcap hull shouldnt have the best tank/dps of subcaps? THAT, is non sense.

Because there should be many hulls with competitive stats and capabilities. This creates a richer PvP experience with far more variety in tactics and strategies. It also opens up a lot more options for a lot more pilots and makes PvP more accessible to players no matter which races they have invested in.

Yeah guys, please same stats for all ship classes. Thats what i read here. I dont think a big T3 nerf will bring diversity but everyone flying in T1 scrub ships. As its nearly already the case since retribution (in low sec at least).
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2013-06-10 11:11:21 UTC
Grarr Dexx wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Donedy wrote:
Oh really?

I know my english is bad, but make an effort mate, reread my last post i think you can understand.

Random guy 1 : "This is blue!"
Random guy 2 : "NO, and im glad you're not a color professional, this is blue!"

good man, if we all went with your ideas, there should be only 1 ship with 1 gun in the entire game.


http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

Sweet lets do fallacy bingo!

how is it a logical falacy? if a ship is better than all the others than it's normal for the entire population strive for that ship instead diversifying it.

so, instead of going all the work on rebalancing all the other ships, just remove them. makes everything much simpler.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#135 - 2013-06-10 11:11:58 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Donedy wrote:
Oh really?

I know my english is bad, but make an effort mate, reread my last post i think you can understand.

Random guy 1 : "This is blue!"
Random guy 2 : "NO, and im glad you're not a color professional, this is blue!"

good man, if we all went with your ideas, there should be only 1 ship with 1 gun in the entire game.

For god sake, im gonna make it easier for you, i am saying the contrary.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2013-06-10 11:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Donedy wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Donedy wrote:
How any subcap hull shouldnt have the best tank/dps of subcaps? THAT, is non sense.

Because there should be many hulls with competitive stats and capabilities. This creates a richer PvP experience with far more variety in tactics and strategies. It also opens up a lot more options for a lot more pilots and makes PvP more accessible to players no matter which races they have invested in.

Yeah guys, please same stats for all ship classes. Thats what i read here. I dont think a big T3 nerf will bring diversity but everyone flying in T1 scrub ships. As its nearly already the case since retribution (in low sec at least).


surely you haven't read the devblogs where they said that they haven't used Tiericide on T2's and T3's.

do us a favour, instead using the Magical Crystal Ball and extrapolating from it, wait till they finish it up.
Donedy wrote:
Grimpak wrote:

good man, if we all went with your ideas, there should be only 1 ship with 1 gun in the entire game.

For god sake, im gonna make it easier for you, i am saying the contrary.

so making the ship the most powerful subcap isn't dumbing it down?

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#137 - 2013-06-10 11:16:30 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Grarr Dexx wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Donedy wrote:
Oh really?

I know my english is bad, but make an effort mate, reread my last post i think you can understand.

Random guy 1 : "This is blue!"
Random guy 2 : "NO, and im glad you're not a color professional, this is blue!"

good man, if we all went with your ideas, there should be only 1 ship with 1 gun in the entire game.


http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

Sweet lets do fallacy bingo!

how is it a logical falacy? if a ship is better than all the others than it's normal for the entire population strive for that ship instead diversifying it.

so, instead of going all the work on rebalancing all the other ships, just remove them. makes everything much simpler.


Stop posting, you're no good at it. And you know it's **** when I have to tell you that.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#138 - 2013-06-10 11:18:31 UTC
Donedy wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Donedy wrote:
Oh really?

I know my english is bad, but make an effort mate, reread my last post i think you can understand.

Random guy 1 : "This is blue!"
Random guy 2 : "NO, and im glad you're not a color professional, this is blue!"

good man, if we all went with your ideas, there should be only 1 ship with 1 gun in the entire game.

For god sake, im gonna make it easier for you, i am saying the contrary.


So in that case you agree to the t3 nerfs.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2013-06-10 11:18:49 UTC
Grarr Dexx wrote:
Stop posting, you're no good at it. And you know it's **** when I have to tell you that.
oh please, now you hit me with a strawman? come on you can do better. post facts! bash me with reason and coherence and prove me wrong!

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#140 - 2013-06-10 11:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Grimpak wrote:
surely you haven't read the devblogs where they said that they haven't used Tiericide on T2's and T3's.

do us a favour, instead using the Magical Crystal Ball and extrapolating from it, wait till they finish it up.

Stop posting, you're so wrong. And im lazy to take care of you.


Grimpak wrote:
so making the ship the most powerful subcap isn't dumbing it down?

Yeah because having ships with the same stats would be better (if there is not "better" ships). :p