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T2 large rigs

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Darco Aldent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-09 06:29:40 UTC
are too expensive for battleships. Now with the new capital rigs please lower the cost of large t2 . ty
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-06-09 06:35:19 UTC
Use T1 rigs instead.
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#3 - 2013-06-09 06:48:44 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
Darco Aldent wrote:
are too expensive for battleships. Now with the new capital rigs please lower the cost of large t2 . ty

Although I'd agree that SOME T2 Rigs are stupidly overpriced, it's not because there are too many materials required it's because the drops for salvage was reduced a while back. However, certain T2 Rigs are right where they should be at roughly 50-60 mil ISK. It's the ones that are 280 mil that are whacked and it's not likely to change. CCP has always been unforgiving when it comes to ISK, either in how to make it or how to save it. Besides it's the player base that drives the cost (for the most part) so you'd have to blame all of us as well. Keep in mind, lowered supply of the raw materials is only a portion of the equation.

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Use T1 rigs instead.

There's also this angle. You're only losing 5% by not using the T2 variant. Also, the majority of players using T2 Rigs on their BS's are the very same ones that CAN afford the stupidly overpriced 280 mil versions anyway.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-06-09 23:02:44 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Use T1 rigs instead.



and add hardwires. the implants are cheaper (especially if you cash in your own lp) and carry over to any ship you fly in depending on the implant.

Cap rigs won't change price. Even the large t2's were a bit much for your front line caps. If alliance is only covering say 75% of the cap in reimbursement and you know death by bigger hot drop is your fate at some point why "pimp" it. t2 rigged archon is dying jsut like a t1 is if the hot drop is bad enough.


Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#5 - 2013-06-10 01:10:29 UTC
Armor rigs, some shield rigs, drone rigs, engineering rigs are the ones that are massively expensive, most other T2 large rigs are very useable.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-06-10 01:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
large T2 are coming down. finally. they would have dropped sooner, but it's market games you see.

I too enjoy bling fitting ships, and am glad the demand from capital ships is gone. another 100M less and I might get into armor ...specifically megathrons (and variants)

not sure how low you're expecting them to go, though. build cost is still 200M in the case of the trimark IIs.
Zan Shiro wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Use T1 rigs instead.

and add hardwires. the implants are cheaper (especially if you cash in your own lp) and carry over to any ship you fly in depending on the implant.

or T2 and hardwires, I mean... if you're serious about flying a complete ship, that is
Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises
#7 - 2013-06-10 03:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenith Gravit
DeLindsay wrote:
You're only losing 5% by not using the T2 variant.


Your math is a bit off. The T1 Large Ancillary Current Router, for instance, gives a 10% PG bonus, the T2 a 15% increase. The T1 gives 33% less PG boost than the T2.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2013-06-10 05:17:16 UTC
Darco Aldent wrote:
are too expensive for battleships. Now with the new capital rigs please lower the cost of large t2 . ty


Stop being space poor?
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#9 - 2013-06-10 05:40:08 UTC
Zenith Gravit wrote:
DeLindsay wrote:
You're only losing 5% by not using the T2 variant.


Your math is a bit off. The T1 Large Ancillary Current Router, for instance, gives a 10% PG bonus, the T2 a 15% increase. The T1 gives 33% less PG boost than the T2.

My math isn't off at all, because it's the BASE difference for ONE Rig. You're talking semantics when you get into the stacked difference of increase/decrease based also on the player's skills as well. When your talking say Shield Purger Rigs, the benefit once you get down to a recharge time of around 80 sec is MUCH lower (even though it is still giving the correct % bonus - the "math" part) versus the bonus it gives when you still have a much higher recharge rate. Trimarks are another. The more HP you have the higher the benefit, even though it's giving the exact same bonus % every time. A Frigate with T2 Trimarks is laughable, where a Super with T2 Trimarks is pretty much standard.

Also not all ships can fit (3) T2 Rigs on it, even with 400 calibration further making the T1 vs T2 "math" bit even more moot.

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Rain6635
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-06-10 06:08:46 UTC
laden or unladen

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Darco Aldent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-10 06:54:35 UTC
They are still too expensive considering 1 rig costs more then the entire hull , give me moar discount . TY
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#12 - 2013-06-10 06:56:19 UTC
They're only too expensive if you can't afford them. Luckily, there are alternative options for tighter budgets.
Darco Aldent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-10 07:01:01 UTC
Its too expensive if only a few people can afford then . Fact . Oh and btw, they are still to expensive , we need them cheaper . TY
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-10 07:53:03 UTC
is there something particular that you MUST have a t2 rig for or are you just whining because you cant afford it?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#15 - 2013-06-10 07:59:05 UTC
CCCs for cap stability, I bet.
Rain6635
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-06-10 08:18:46 UTC
Large T2 CCC build cost is still high, will always be high compared to T1 battleships.

my suggestion is use T2 battleships so the cost is relatively smaller Lol

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Darco Aldent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-10 08:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Darco Aldent
Rigs are a permanet investment in ur ship, so to buy a 250 million t2 rigor for a 150m raven is very expensive . So i still ask that prices should be reduce by about 66% so to about 100 million so u can fit them profitable on t1 hulls . thank you
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-06-10 08:26:51 UTC
theyre profitable as long as you don't lose the ship before you make back the money
Darco Aldent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-10 08:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Darco Aldent
Rain6635 wrote:
Large T2 CCC build cost is still high, will always be high compared to T1 battleships.

my suggestion is use T2 battleships so the cost is relatively smaller Lol




This i dont like :cost will always be high compared to T1 battleships. we allready use full t2 stuff on t1 ships. Before the intruduction of capital rigs there was a reason T2 rigs were expensive (for capitals) now t2 rigs can only be fitted on Bs (are cheaper then capitals) thus they should get cheaper
Rain6635
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-06-10 08:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6635
when you get to do something like increase armor hitpoints by 75%, don't you think it's justified

impressively skilled and T2 fitted, a megathron is equal to more than 2 average megathrons

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