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C5 escalations

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#41 - 2013-06-10 04:37:04 UTC
1c3crysta1 wrote:

Each guardian have 55k hp (with ~75% resists) and 27k hull, which adds up to 55*4 + 27 = 247k EHP. (Taken from http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=23&return_to=)
With 5k DPS, that is about 50 sec per guardian. 20 guardians should survive for about 17min (theoretically, but shouldn't be more then 30min). Not forever Smile


just remember that the numbers on eft dont reflect "true dps". Fighters are horrible at applying dps even to bs'es, and even battle ships won't hit for full damage, the damn things orbit at 230+ m/s speeds, and you also have the drone aggro, drones die, and even if you are good you still have to recall them. and i don't know how you are getting 1k dps with t2 fitted scorpions (hopefully not torpedoes), link the fit so I can steal it.

Big headache if you ask me, and will take very long
Ferna Akai
Shinn's XIII'th army
#42 - 2013-06-10 05:49:33 UTC
Have to support the above,

Those carriers wont apply any DPS to the field in my experience. Fighters, sentries and other drones are picked apart fast and easy before they get to apply real DPS.

With low numbers you' ll need those dreads more. So the setu of 2 dreads 1 carrier and support makes sence. You can still apply good DPS and escalate 3 waves. If you have a Loki with 135k EHP you should be fine. As you have gaurdian aggro with the dreads. The loki will just get neuted to :censored: and recieve damage from the non guardian group. I' ve flown a Loki with 70k EHP and found it more than sufficient.

So if you have the numbers, warping in the first moros and Chimera with Loki and Golem would make most sense. You Siege and triage both capitals, Loki and golem stay in range of each other (perhaps look for spiddy fit combo's for both ships).

As the Golem and loki provide the Moros with what it needs to take down the guardians you hold on a little and warp in the seconde dread.

My only concern with the above would be the cap of the carrier. The loki will be prime neut, it will need cap transfer, If the Carrier itself is taking high Dmg/having to rep alot you might run into issue's. Perhaps here a Spiddy energy setup on the loi+golem might provide you with the needed edge.

The Golem will drop into low shields, thats just a fact. Get a Good tank on that and have a carrier looking out for him.

Not sure for pulsar but the above tactic is tested and works fine. Only issue remains the cap.
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#43 - 2013-06-10 10:14:46 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
1c3crysta1 wrote:

Each guardian have 55k hp (with ~75% resists) and 27k hull, which adds up to 55*4 + 27 = 247k EHP. (Taken from http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=23&return_to=)
With 5k DPS, that is about 50 sec per guardian. 20 guardians should survive for about 17min (theoretically, but shouldn't be more then 30min). Not forever Smile


just remember that the numbers on eft dont reflect "true dps". Fighters are horrible at applying dps even to bs'es, and even battle ships won't hit for full damage, the damn things orbit at 230+ m/s speeds, and you also have the drone aggro, drones die, and even if you are good you still have to recall them. and i don't know how you are getting 1k dps with t2 fitted scorpions (hopefully not torpedoes), link the fit so I can steal it.

Big headache if you ask me, and will take very long


My experience is that they're dealing quite alot of damage on battleships and loose about 50% accuracy on cruisers (when they aren't MWDing). Aggro isn't too much of a worry either, atleast when there's cap and reps flying around.

As for the Scorpion, after the cruise buff, 1k dps with them are far from hard. Got up to 1200 with 4 faction BCS and about 1050 with 3 Tech II BCS. To that, just add 6 Tech II CML on that Scorpion (the Navy Issue Scorpion).
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#44 - 2013-06-10 10:19:38 UTC
Ferna Akai wrote:


Not sure for pulsar but the above tactic is tested and works fine. Only issue remains the cap.


If cap is the issue, then a pulsar should be ideal with the -41% cap recharge buff. And yeah, remote cap between the golem/scorp and loki could work wonders, thanks for the idea. Smile
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#45 - 2013-06-10 13:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
RE fighters from my experience einherji are useless for applying dps on sleeper guardians, they are the best for putting any damage at all on frigs and cruisers out of any of the fighters but your better off using the right size drones for that. Against bigger targets firbolgs tend to get better quality of hits hence higher applied damage, templars also good but slower, dragonflys generally best forgotten about.
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