EVE General Discussion

I think you missed the point but if what you say is true you need not to worry. All you need is to learn to read and quote better. I will help you (see below). However, if they are popular because they are a better answer than any other cruiser to almost any question in EVE then you need to prepare for a change.

under the laws of demand and offer, if said supply was constantly restocked, X-type would probably go down to the same values of T1.

as an interesting by-product however, T1 would either drop in price further or stop being produced because of mineral values, unless there was a further mineral devaluation.

this is, however, theory. most probably the X-type, if supply managed to maintain the market volume, would replace pretty much everything below it in due time, any mods that had worse stats would either be sold below mineral value or shoved directly into the reprocessor.


all this to say that, no, price is not a balancing factor. availability is.

"my ship costs the princely sum of 450 million, how dare you nerf it"

My original hope was that CCP would realize the importance of the t3 and the flexibility of the ship.

In order to correct (aka fix) the situation with T3 overrunning people in sites and such.....simply make known space effect the t3 ships just as some worm space spatial effects do to known space ships.

Example...in worm space the t3 would benefit from it's intended purpose....omni-omni-omni to deal with sleepers....but in known space they would suffer from 75% reduction in bonuses or no bonuses at all.

Perhaps this would even the field for those who cry so hard about the T3 being OP and whatnot.

Blocking them from places that other cruiser class ships are allowed simply sucks since the adaptability and fitting options are why people fly the damn things to begin with.

Surely there are more creative solutions than just admin override 'click' and banned from h-sec sites.

The T3 came from outside the box...where did all the people go who created the T3 in the first place...break out their notes and review why they were created.

Maybe you're not putting the investment in mods and implants that people in T3's are?

A Navy Mega with similar faction/deadspace mods will out dps and tank a T3 with faction/deadspace mods. This is a case of comparing T2 fit ships and bling ships and wondering why the two don't perform similarly.

I've got a T2 fit Dominix (non-faction) that out tanks and out dps's my faction fit Proteus. In fact, that Dominix will tear that Proteus to shreds in a one on one fight. So, if you can't fit a faction BS properly, what makes you think you're informed enough to know what is balanced and what is not?

Up until the BC rebalance, I had a Myrm that could hold its own against Proteus's and Tengu's. It's noone's fault but CCP's that they took a perfectly fine BC and "rebalanced" it with subpar capabilities.

If my Proteus goes against a Pilgrim, guess who is going to win that fight? There's a pretty high chance I'm going to be capped out. No cap, no boom boom.

Those are 3 examples of a T1 BS, BC & T2 Cruiser able to defeat the overpowered T3.

So, excuse me if I feel a continuing rebalance is not in mine or anyone else's self interest. No, the only interests being served with the T3 rebalance is the inept's and CCP's which are often times one and the same.

And I'd be willing to bet that as soon as the T3 balance changes actually go into effect, that banned-from-high-sec-sites issue will be removed.




You're just an angry little person, aren't you. Of course a nerf to your favorite ship isn't in your best interest, because it nerfs the ship you want to stay OP.

You're really just talking in circles at this point; your argument has devolved into "but other ships can beat it, so it's not OP!" Let's just be grateful you're not actually in charge of the balancing at CCP, or this game would be broken beyond belief.

Anybody remember Insta's?

I spent hundreds of millions of iskies on insta's for whole regions. Damn warp to 0.

I actually haven't yet gotten in to PvP, barring my short stint in Null. I've been spending a good deal of time getting a steady stream of ISK set up before I get into PvP, knowing full well it's going to end in my ship exploding many, many times before I ever get a grasp on how to play effectively.

However, I've been studying game design for some time, have been reading relevant blog posts by the developers, feedback from other players, watching T3s myself, and seeing your own posts. It doesn't take a PvP expert to understand that T3's aren't working as intended. You know how I know? Because the developers of the game themselves have said that T3's aren't working as intended.

Because I understand my inexperience with the ships themselves, I've made no attempt to crunch numbers and provide specifics, but instead suggest interesting ways to make T3s fit into a particular design that CCP has said they want: cruiser-level ability to do several roles. Adaptability and generalization. And in good game design, "adaptability and generalization" means that something should be able to do multiple things, oft-times all at once, but will never be the best in that particular field. Instead, specializing (i.e., T2 ships) should allow the ships to perform exceptionally at their intended purpose, but very very poorly in any other role.

I agree 100% that T3's need work, and I agree that it's going to take some serious work on CCP's part to ensure that they're not only viable, but also unique in their performance and fun to fly. I also understand that as a Cruiser-class hull, T3's can do certain things far better than they should be able to (hence OP), while also understanding that in certain areas, the T3's are severely lacking.

Because ship-to-ship PvP is the single solitary facet to EVE Online, right?

Because a scientist working on a virus through a microscope will readily admit (and has done so) that working in the real world with patients is martian science. In other words, experience is important.