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CCP - Observe Your Audience's Emotional Involvement

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Cilgil Arbosa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-06-09 18:12:53 UTC
Seriously, what collective of deranged and ill-tasted individuals sat down and decided that desert or even grass land camouflage on a space ship uncapable of atmospheric flight or landing on planet surfaces would be not only a good idea, but one that people with more than one brain cell would actually enjoy to look at and fly with?

And most importantly, getting rid of the login splash screen was a worse decision than most of us realize. It was a simple art asset that allowed customers to invest emotionally in your product and gives an immediate and stark hint that you just released an expansion to your game which you simply dont want to pass by unnoticed. Not everyone is reading dev blogs, boards or follows live streams.

In a year or two people will forget about the ship balances of the last 3 expansions, but they will remember the distinct art that came with it.
Sister Sophia
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-06-09 18:27:33 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Good read EP.

Besides CCP removing the emotional attachment, it does seem they are also removing any emotional reaction causing ideas or items that someone might take offense to. When I first started, one of my early missions with the Caldari Navy was to obtain a large stash of drugs to keep their pilots on edge. And Amarrians were very keen on keeping their Minmatar slaves in line. But with today's game, drugs and slaves are rarely mentioned by players and never by the gaming universe.

Remember when modules had individual names but CCP felt that exponential, limited, and prototype would be much more practical so people would not be confused?

Or is CCP desiring to cater to the dumbest player and making sure he or she will not feel offended and thus making everything "sterile"?


^ this.

keep eve harsh and hard. the base nastiness of player interactions was only one part of that dark feel. we've kept that. but the cyberpunk art and social commentary were important too. i mean, you're in Iceland for christsake. what's there to worry about?
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-06-09 18:32:00 UTC
Xasnevian
sadfadsfadsadsf
#24 - 2013-06-09 18:43:23 UTC
I'm also on a mac and am seeing what you refer to as a "generic" login screen. I've actually never seen it and thought this was the Odyssey screen. I thought it was real uncharacteristic for an expansion login screen. Good to hear it's not.

+1 for awesome login experience
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-06-10 00:35:07 UTC
Cilgil Arbosa wrote:
Seriously, what collective of deranged and ill-tasted individuals sat down and decided that desert or even grass land camouflage on a space ship uncapable of atmospheric flight or landing on planet surfaces would be not only a good idea, but one that people with more than one brain cell would actually enjoy to look at and fly with?

Clearly they were people who recognized that if ships were textured according to function this would be the blandest MMO ever.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#26 - 2013-06-10 00:45:04 UTC
I encourage you to turn your audio back on. It really does influence immersion and affinity for situations. From the 'volcanic' sound when you are looking at a Lava planet to station chatter and muffled broadcasting.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#27 - 2013-06-10 00:47:25 UTC
If the only reason you were playing eve was due to an emotional connection to the log in screen, then you probably shouldn't be playing eve to be honest. The new launcher is far better than the login screen which looks outdated already.
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-06-10 00:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I The Amarr had some pretty cool head dresses that I don't think they have anymore, and Eternum here was defined by a cool set of forehead tattoos. Not face tattoos, not why-do-i-need-ray-ban-sunglasses-in-space....but jagged, solid black tattoos on my forehead. I was emotionally invested in the appearance of my character.





You really did look better back in the day, EP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kImZaWKhss

<3 from Raubrey (aka DK, formerly)
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-10 01:00:38 UTC
Embarado wrote:
I too, hate space camouflage.




Leave my green Camo alone mkay? Lol

At least dies in style and when you have one in your fleet every logi will lock it because it's the fleet challenge, kill the enemy is secondary (or not) but bring the thing back Lol

Jokin OC, I have no idea what I'm taking about.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-10 01:34:12 UTC
Cilgil Arbosa wrote:

In a year or two people will forget about the ship balances of the last 3 expansions, but they will remember the distinct art that came with it.


Well, I'm neither forgetting or forgiving (unless the T3 re-balance is really, really good), I"ll just have to shoot my way though my malcontent.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2013-06-10 02:39:41 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Cilgil Arbosa wrote:

In a year or two people will forget about the ship balances of the last 3 expansions, but they will remember the distinct art that came with it.

Well, I'm neither forgetting or forgiving (unless the T3 re-balance is really, really good), I"ll just have to shoot my way though my malcontent.

Violence is an appropriate means of resolving conflicts in EVE ONLINE.

Note: May not apply in HIGHSEC.

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Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-06-10 03:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Cilgil Arbosa wrote:

In a year or two people will forget about the ship balances of the last 3 expansions, but they will remember the distinct art that came with it.

Well, I'm neither forgetting or forgiving (unless the T3 re-balance is really, really good), I"ll just have to shoot my way though my malcontent.

Violence is an appropriate means of resolving conflicts in EVE ONLINE.

Note: May not apply in HIGHSEC.


Of course I meant in Eve Online...I only own knives in RL.
But they are really badass steak knives from the 1950s, never used.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-06-10 03:04:31 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I have not logged in for a good long while. My reasons for not, are various and irrelevant to this post. Evidently, unless I am missing something... there will never be an epic log in screen for EVE Online again. The new launcher (at lease to me seems to have) eliminated the epic log in page.





This Brings Me To My Important Topic (worthy of trolling no doubt)


An audience is a fan base. Be it a cult following for a movie or a video game, it does not matter. A fan base has an invested emotional involvement in a product/production. A log in screen is a big part of EVE's emotional involvement. A new expansion comes and we are greeted with a new and awesome log in animation. It makes us feel like we are in a new version of the same old tired universe and it compels us (or tricks us) to continue playing.


Such things reinforce an emotional investment. An investment that your revenue is based upon and yet your business model does not seem to fully comprehend.


A Jukebox and colorful asteroids were also a part of many individual's emotional investment. Simple things like engine trails, which were taken out and then returned, are another example of emotional investments.



Arrow Golden Amarr ships was another big one (pilots emotionally invest in their race)
Arrow Geometric lights on alien-looking worlds (not earth-moon-mars look-alikes)
Arrow Black not military (stupid) green Navy Megathrons were an emotional investment.
(I remember when I started how awesome the solid black silhouette of a navy raven looked and how much I wanted to mission in one)



These are just some basic examples. Another one is our old portraits. No matter how hard we tried we could not come close to making our new ones look even remotely like our old ones. The Amarr had some pretty cool head dresses that I don't think they have anymore, and Eternum here was defined by a cool set of forehead tattoos. Not face tattoos, not why-do-i-need-ray-ban-sunglasses-in-space....but jagged, solid black tattoos on my forehead. I was emotionally invested in the appearance of my character. Hell, even the old style of the old forums were an emotional investment to many. It is a simlpe thing I know. It may even be a stupid thing, but is is a very real thing.





So...

If there is a setting that will allow me to see a log in animation again I would love for someone to tell me about it. If not, I will just add it to the list of emotional investments that have been removed from the game. Just in case anyone of relevance at CCP ever reads this thread, I will offer you a small (and humble) pearl of wisdom for you to consider.



"Enhancing something does not mean changing it's original form. If you deviat from the original inspiration then you have not enhanced the original inspiration, you have only changed it. "




Now you may not care to consider this and adapt your current business model. But consider the following. A truly great idea is like lightning in a bottle and it does not come very often in a lifetime. You need to try and stay true to it, because if you change it you may end up altering what made it that "special something" in the first place. You may end up mutating it into something that was not so charming, inspiring and/or all around "more then the sum of it's parts".




End post.


Oh, and while I am at it... changing the EVE Menu design after how many years? Bad, bad idea. I still have not gotten used to the assets options in station. Every-time I try to mess with it , it reminds me that "this eve" is not the same eve as I originally subscribed to more then half a decade ago.



if nothing else, make the launcher full-screen and make it epic like the login-screens used to be. Now it looks like a cheap website.

speaking of websites, for the love of god spend some money on web development. Your website is the biggest clusterfuck... srlsly.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#34 - 2013-06-10 03:16:12 UTC
We need more como options maybe some knifes to fit on a a ship hull along with some military boots on ship engines..coz like this it is most ret@rded thing anyone did to space ships(game/movie/tv show or any other medium) painting them in como..

and thus we must keep em..that's line of thought with some ppl apparently.












Sarcasm present.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#35 - 2013-06-10 07:52:02 UTC
Oh dear god, EP re-subscribed.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-06-10 08:12:01 UTC
CCP board are more money motivated, if you look at companies that just value high short term returns you will see they don´t do emotion on any level, its all ayn rand type stunted behaviour.

CCP changed, is it becoming what the Icelandic banks became?

probably will end the same way!

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-06-10 16:55:03 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I The Amarr had some pretty cool head dresses that I don't think they have anymore, and Eternum here was defined by a cool set of forehead tattoos. Not face tattoos, not why-do-i-need-ray-ban-sunglasses-in-space....but jagged, solid black tattoos on my forehead. I was emotionally invested in the appearance of my character.





You really did look better back in the day, EP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kImZaWKhss

<3 from Raubrey (aka DK, formerly)



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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#38 - 2013-06-10 17:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Why is military designs on a military ship a bad thing?

Why is it worse than any other colours on a spaceship?


It doesnt matter what colour your ship is, sensors still detect it.



"Oh noes my ships look nice, EvE is ruined"





WTF is wrong with you


Next youll be saying that Blood ships look "wrong" in some way because they are decorated with the Tainted Claret

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Lusty Wench
Nox Incurro
#39 - 2013-06-10 22:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lusty Wench
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Why is military designs on a military ship a bad thing?

Why is it worse than any other colours on a spaceship?

It doesnt matter what colour your ship is, sensors still detect it.

"Oh noes my ships look nice, EvE is ruined"

WTF is wrong with you

Next youll be saying that Blood ships look "wrong" in some way because they are decorated with the Tainted Claret



Did you ever see proper Navy Megas and the like? They were cool ships, now they are all faggoty and rubbish
Digital Camo in space is THE dumbest idea ever, and corresponds directly to CCP wanting to sell little plastic models of ships.

Vigilant
Navy Mega
Damnation
Malediction


Every cool looking (IE Black) ship I've ever trained for has been 'quee r eyed'.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-06-10 22:56:28 UTC
Lusty Wench wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Why is military designs on a military ship a bad thing?

Why is it worse than any other colours on a spaceship?

It doesnt matter what colour your ship is, sensors still detect it.

"Oh noes my ships look nice, EvE is ruined"

WTF is wrong with you

Next youll be saying that Blood ships look "wrong" in some way because they are decorated with the Tainted Claret



Did you ever see proper Navy Megas and the like? They were cool ships, now they are all faggoty and rubbish
Digital Camo in space is THE dumbest idea ever, and corresponds directly to CCP wanting to sell little plastic models of ships.

Vigilant
Navy Mega
Damnation
Malediction


Every cool looking (IE Black) ship I've ever trained for has been 'quee r eyed'.

Vigilant looks awesome, as does the navy mega. Camo on the mega specifically looks quite good and visually balanced since the remodel. Caldari navy ships on the other hand...
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