EVE General Discussion

Remember this video?

CCP Torfi: We're not going to dumb it down and paint it pink.

GM Karidor: /trollface.

Srsly, concord needs fixing/nerfing, as do war mechanics. Make space less safe.

Safety is a good thing. If you can't fly through police enforced 1.0 security rated space in safety, what the hell kinda civilization are you running?

Here is the fallcy of this: CONCORD's original mission was as a diplomatic entity to resolve disputes between the five Empires. It wasn't until the Zombies invaded Yulai that made killing/escaping CONCORD a bannable offense. So, story wise, the DED and CONCORD have actually been expanded from their original and intended roles. I would argue that originally, it was deemed that having CONCORD be this powerful wasn't the intent.



This would assume I'm leaving. Even if I WERE to leave, theres a handful of people that would be given whatever isn't dedicated to making the lives of several others rather miserable.

griefer tears is best tears

Safety is no good thing.
Self responsibility is a good thing.

What's happening in EvE is a mirror of what's happening around the world in more "modern" societies.
More and more safety, less and less self responsibility.

If this keeps going on and on and on in EvE,
some day scammers will be banned,
because of idiots not being able to watch out for themselves.

It's not CCP dumbing down the game,
it's the players that are dumbing down the game.

CCP HAS to react, because the idiots pay money.

We can only hope there's a middle way.


Saying "highsec should be safe" is the wrong POV,
because it's not the system that's not safe enough,
it's the player who's too stupid to watch his own back.

The fallacy is that YOU think they were going to STAY that way... how many peace keeping missions expand and stick around. The USA has troops in Germany and even Korea YEARS after those wars were over. Everyone knows in eve if you want to make a huge power grab start with diplomacy.

'That hauler was asking for it, wandering through Udema with that dress on^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hno tank.'

Is he wearing a North Korean flag in that video?

There is no where on planet earth where you are guaranteed complete personal safety.

The GFC sucks in the real, but it's a fantastic thing within EVE, especially if it's player driven.

When everything is running smoothly with no conflict, people play for X period of time, after which they walk away and find a new game, and never really come back. When the game is a constant challenge from other players, your losses are real and felt, with new and interesting issues popping up regularly and your survival is dependant on your ability to think on your feet and meet the challenge of other players, then you may walk away from the game, but you come back again and again when you realise nothing else offers you that

Aside from suicide ganking, there is NO way to wage war on those who truly don't want war waged on them. If you think that's a good thing, then your EVE playing experience probably isn't unique, EVE isn't giving you anything that can't be found in other games, because you're not experiencing real risk, real loss and meaningful victories. Instead you're likely seeing a game that consists largely of repetitive grind, only done in a spaceship, and ultimately PvE content will hold very few people to EVE in the long term.

That's not to say everyone has to get out there and starting shoot each other, but if you want an interesting game that holds you in the long term, I think it behooves you to put something on the line and take risk with it. It makes the victory sweet, and keeps the challenge interesting.

I think everyone is agreed that the wardec system is broken, but in the current incarnation, it's pushed way too far in favour of highly risk averse players. You can jigger timers to make it impossible to kill your POS, if you're large enough and dedicated enough you can make it effectively impossible for someone to even wardec you, and even if you do get wardec'd you can jump ship except for a holding alt with no penalty. It just seems to me that embracing a playerbase that is largely focused on this style risk free gameplay is embracing a playerbase that will have a high churn rate. I don't see how that's a good thing...