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Exploiting Jita population cap to avoid war dec needs to be punished.

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Melvin Earl
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-06-09 15:44:44 UTC
Once again those exploiters are at it again. What is the point of the war declaration mechanic if it is easily avoided?

Petitioning to have the war declaration fee reimbursed.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-06-09 17:18:56 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.

If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards.

Well I think you got it all wrong. avoiding the war dec isn't the problem, the pop limit is the problem. 20 caps in low sec hogging the flops because they want to use all their fighters or 200 people in jita? I see the 20 are obviously more important.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#83 - 2013-06-10 15:56:57 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Once again those exploiters are at it again. What is the point of the war declaration mechanic if it is easily avoided?

Petitioning to have the war declaration fee reimbursed.


Roll Entitled much?

Why should your fee be reimbursed? You can shoot your targets else where. You could hunt them down outside of Jita. Heck, you guys could camp one if the few pipes like Nomma or Sivala that form choke points going to jita. It's your choice for only hunting targets in Jita, why should anyone even read your petition?

Seems to me, you need to find better tactics or targets instead of wasting GM's time on petitions that will go no where.
Marsan
#84 - 2013-06-10 16:35:25 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Melvin Earl wrote:
Me and my people spent a long time moving assets and planning strategies for engaging targets in Jita. Now targets are logging off and logging back in only to abuse the automatic move mechanic if Jita is full. This is utter and complete bullshit.

If a target is at war the system should not allow them to pick a new system to log into. CCP should not be helping these cowards.

Well I think you got it all wrong. avoiding the war dec isn't the problem, the pop limit is the problem. 20 caps in low sec hogging the flops because they want to use all their fighters or 200 people in jita? I see the 20 are obviously more important.


You don't understand the issue at all. The Jita system is on the best hardware CCP has, and there are no other systems on that server. The "20 guys in caps a LS system" don't impact Jita at all. The only thing that will raise the population cap in Jita is better hardware or better programming. Neither of which are possible in the short term as CCP has done the easy optimizations, and is using the faster server for Jita they have.


PS- Why not get a life and war dec some one who actually wants to fight back. Or go to LS, NS, and wormhole space where there are lots of people itching to fight.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
UKBigWolf
#85 - 2013-06-12 16:32:32 UTC
Could go to Fountain, I hear plenty of fights to be had for everyone
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2013-06-13 13:38:01 UTC
So long as Jita's slamming into its population cap, the camp-the-undock tactic has an unavoidable massive hole. The OP's targets have a way to deny the aggressors easy kills; of course they're going to take advantage of it.

Also, the OP is nearly a month old, which means that either the war-dec payment was renewed, or it expired and the OP corp re-decced the target corp, in full awareness that their targets knew about the population-cap evasion tactic, and are still trying to use the same tactic whose failure they were bemoaning earlier.

There are any number of other ways to aggress against another corporation. Use locator agents; that's why they're in the game. Use neutral scouts to determine their operating patterns, and try to confront them at their home base. Bait them out by offering them a target and having a knuckle-duster ready for when and if they bite.

And frankly, there's a word for trying the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

...oh, and were the British and French acting like cowards at Dunkirk, for escaping instead of waiting to be slaughtered?

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Acwron
Meet The Fockers
#87 - 2013-06-13 18:49:50 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Any word if this exploit has been fixed?


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Blake Gates Heleneto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-06-14 00:25:02 UTC
This thread is still going? Jesus *facepalm*
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#89 - 2013-06-14 02:31:44 UTC
I have an easy fix for you, war decc about 100 different corporations that routinely undock out of and haul out of jita.

This should guarantee you targets all in a jita day long.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-06-14 03:03:00 UTC
I know OP won't understand this but have a locator agent. Here is what you need to know.

Level 1 Any Instant/1 minute 5 minutes 1k/5k Constellation
Level 2 1.0 Instant/1 minute/8 minutes 5 minutes 5k/10k/25k Region
Level 3 3.0 Instant/30 seconds/4 minutes/8 minutes 15 minutes 10k/25k/50k/100k Unlimited
Level 4 5.0 Instant/20 seconds/2 minutes/4 minutes 30 minutes 25k/50k/100k/250k Unlimited

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Fiery Taint
New Eden Motion Pictures
#91 - 2013-06-14 12:13:59 UTC
Op was so bad I locked my partner and child in the basement.

Ok, that's not true...



I don't know who they are...
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#92 - 2013-06-15 03:58:30 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Once again those exploiters are at it again. What is the point of the war declaration mechanic if it is easily avoided?

Petitioning to have the war declaration fee reimbursed.


You can always wardec FA's "logistics alliance" (whatever that is). Heck, you could come to fountain and camp a gate and probably get more kills.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Stay Thirsty
The Chosen Children
#93 - 2013-06-15 04:44:23 UTC
Alua Oresson wrote:


You can always wardec FA's "logistics alliance" (whatever that is). Heck, you could come to fountain and camp a gate and probably get more kills.


Totally unrelated to the BS of this thread, but your toon is going to cause me nightmares. +1 for creating a toon I would be too scared to PVP based on looks alone. Lol

On the other hand, if she ever puts out a CD I will definitely listen.
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-06-15 22:47:06 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:


You all are missing the point. This loop hole for evading war needs to be fixed as soon as possible. We do not have the man power to cover all the alternate systems, much less all the stations in them as well.


Well then, go get more manpower. Or wardec someone who actually wants to fight you.
Tristen Walker
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2013-06-16 23:33:50 UTC
You mad op?
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#96 - 2013-06-17 04:34:40 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Once again those exploiters are at it again. What is the point of the war declaration mechanic if it is easily avoided?

Petitioning to have the war declaration fee reimbursed.



Was excellent quality trolling however you gave yourself away with that one. Just went that bit too far to stay convincing.

9.5/10.

Woulda been 10/10 except you lost .5 for giving yourself away.

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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-06-18 06:25:20 UTC
Have you tried actually looking for your targets and intercepting them before they can reach Jita? Or tried wardeccing someone who doesn't have their base near/in Jita?

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