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This is unfair. You have cheated me, CCP :(

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Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2013-06-07 17:46:57 UTC
Not kidding, I had the exact same experience. My computer was fried a few days ago and I have been using a friend's to update skill queues. I had enough time to inject the ADV spaceship command 1 but not to inject freighters the day before Odyssey, and I hadn't realized the skills were changing.

Result? An extra 24 days training time. My action? I was pissed for a few hours at my own stupidity, but it was just crummy luck my computer was fried and I didn't have time to inject the skill. It's not CCP's fault and I just moved on to training ADV spaceship command V.

Just buck up and move on. The extra training time won't kill you.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#222 - 2013-06-07 18:35:06 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
xavier69 wrote:
i remember getting the skills for my intercept 2 days before need for speed went from 13km to 4km per sec in speed. i learned then not to put my eggs into any one basket a stupid dev can break


And word to wise: notice those generalized ship skills like Assault and Heavy Assault Ships? Skill them to 5, because the scheme is breaking them down to racials. Just like they did with battleships, and now battlecruisers.


Please do not misinform people. CCP have explicitly confirmed that the T2 skills will not be racialised.


Also, the battleship skills have been racial since the beginning of the game, they have never ever been a generic skill.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#223 - 2013-06-07 19:51:23 UTC
Sable Moran wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
xavier69 wrote:
i remember getting the skills for my intercept 2 days before need for speed went from 13km to 4km per sec in speed. i learned then not to put my eggs into any one basket a stupid dev can break


And word to wise: notice those generalized ship skills like Assault and Heavy Assault Ships? Skill them to 5, because the scheme is breaking them down to racials. Just like they did with battleships, and now battlecruisers.


Please do not misinform people. CCP have explicitly confirmed that the T2 skills will not be racialised.


Also, the battleship skills have been racial since the beginning of the game, they have never ever been a generic skill.


And both of you believe devs will never back down on their "word"?

Be ready to buy the Brooklyn bridge with that naïveté...because they all do.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#224 - 2013-06-07 20:43:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
WRONG.
That news was never posted in-game,
…aside from the launcher, the character select screen, the billboards. So no, it's not wrong. They posted it in-game. Don't confuse people missing it or wilfully skipping it with it not being there.

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also doesn't matter when it was first posted here in the forums since the OP is only a few months playing this game.
It doesn't matter how long the OP has been here since the information was available in the most common, logical, intuitive, and obvious source: the official dev blogs on the official website. These were then linked to from roughly a bajillion places — many of them in-game — from which people pick up not just this piece of information, but on the general idea that there is a central repository for this kind of info.

…not that they should need to, since it works the same here as it does pretty much everywhere else.



OMGAWD, which part of in-game do you not understand. The use of Launcher and Character Selection screen DOES NOT, and I repeat, DOES NOT justify as being in-game. Besides that, numerous times #401 has been shown in place of the news listed in the Character Selection screen. The Launcher is recently new and quite honestly, hasn't been around long enough to make a difference.

The only aspect you listed to qualify as being in-game is the BillBoard to which I have never ever seen advertize the upcoming ship changes. Now the Eve Mail from CCP encouraging everyone to vote for new CSM definitely qualifies as being in-game, which they could have easily done the same for the ship skill changes.

Once again you as well as others lay claim that reading Dev Blogs is paramount for playing this game. That is a falsehood. No where does it state that in order to play this game, players must participate in these forums or should spend time searching the internet for Dev Blogs containing info on important game changes.


DMC

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#225 - 2013-06-07 20:47:22 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
OMGAWD, which part of in-game do you not understand.
The part where having started the client, logged in, being faced with the game UI, and even flying around in your ship all are disqualified for no apparent reason.

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Now the Eve Mail from CCP encouraging everyone to vote for new CSM definitely qualifies as being in-game
…and it also qualifies as unwatned spam, which is what makes it a pretty bad avenue for information dispersal. If you want to stay informed, there are far better and easier ways of doing that.

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Once again you as well as others lay claim that reading Dev Blogs is paramount for playing this game.
Nope.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#226 - 2013-06-07 21:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
OMGAWD, which part of in-game do you not understand. The use of Launcher and Character Selection screen DOES NOT, and I repeat, DOES NOT justify as being in-game. Besides that, numerous times #401 has been shown in place of the news listed in the Character Selection screen. The Launcher is recently new and quite honestly, hasn't been around long enough to make a difference.


The news shown on the character selection screen is only visible from within the game client. How is that not "in game"?

The news shown on the launcher (did not replace the news shown on the character screen, so the time that it's been available is irrelevant) is only visible once you have launched the game client.

You were forced to look at a screen which contains the news you're pretending you were not being presented with at least once, and likely twice, between the time you clicked on your icon and the time you could take control of your character. Every time you logged in in the week after the dev blog. After that, there were plenty of other dev blogs linked in that same unavoidable news feed saying "Hey, new things happening in the upcoming expansion, read me to find out what."

Choosing to click through blindly is your choice, and missing important information is the consequence of that choice.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#227 - 2013-06-07 21:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Here's the thing: Yes, this change has a lot of potential disruption. Yes, it sucks that for whatever reason, some people missed out and are now staring at Advanced Spaceship Command V. Here's the thing, though: The skill changes are good for the game overall. CCP really, honestly tried to get the word out. They really tried to minimize the pain, and the forums were alight with people making sure that anyone confused about the changes was set straight.

Here are the things which are easier to see from a more veteran perspective:

1) if you intend to spend a lot of time in a freighter, Advanced Spaceship Command V is a superb investment. Take it from someone who started flying a freighter with ASC III. Every last little bit of agility that you can coax out of those whales is welcome;

2) 24 days seems like a lot when you've only been training skills for a few months. Most of the skills I want to train now are much longer than that, and that's not to train them from 0, it's to train them from IV to V. People who've been playing longer than I have are staring at skills that take even longer to train, like the maxed-out capital ship skills;

3) There's a new expansion! Hop in a Magnate or an Anathema, set it up for hacking/archaology, and enjoy those 24 days.

Learning to keep yourself occupied while you wait 30 days for that skill that you absolutely want to have finished training yesterday is a useful skill for surviving EVE Online.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#228 - 2013-06-07 21:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Winter Archipelago
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

I agree with the OP, most of your replies have been sarcastic insults intended to demean and flame. There have also been quite a few other characters also doing the same thing. If it continues, I will personally report all of you until this thread get's locked, and then I will file petitions about it as well as file complaints with Customer Service. This needless harassment of new players or anyone else in this community is not acceptable.


Report away, little boy, then run back to WoW when the GM team tell you to HTFU. Be glad you're learning the lessons about EvE now, instead of a month from now when you're hauling your 1b+ ISK freighter and its multi-billion ISK load through Uedama and getting popped.

Lessons on the forum are free. Lessons in the game are rarely so.

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Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#229 - 2013-06-07 23:20:04 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:



Terrible terrible analogy.

You aren't a "victim" in the same way. You did not have anything taken away from you. You missed out on an opportunity to take advantage of something offered.

You not getting that advantage is also not the same thing as a blind man getting hit by a train. You simply have everything else as BAU (business as usual).

In short, you are complaining of not getting a can of peaches at a discount because the supermarket did not deliver the coupon directory to your door where they simply put in an ad in a newspaper you chose not to read.


Actually, I have lost out. I would've been able to fly the freighter straight away if no changes were made. I was set back 24 days as a result of the changes. So you're wrong there.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#230 - 2013-06-07 23:25:57 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Here's the thing: Yes, this change has a lot of potential disruption. Yes, it sucks that for whatever reason, some people missed out and are now staring at Advanced Spaceship Command V. Here's the thing, though: The skill changes are good for the game overall. CCP really, honestly tried to get the word out. They really tried to minimize the pain, and the forums were alight with people making sure that anyone confused about the changes was set straight.

Here are the things which are easier to see from a more veteran perspective:

1) if you intend to spend a lot of time in a freighter, Advanced Spaceship Command V is a superb investment. Take it from someone who started flying a freighter with ASC III. Every last little bit of agility that you can coax out of those whales is welcome;

2) 24 days seems like a lot when you've only been training skills for a few months. Most of the skills I want to train now are much longer than that, and that's not to train them from 0, it's to train them from IV to V. People who've been playing longer than I have are staring at skills that take even longer to train, like the maxed-out capital ship skills;

3) There's a new expansion! Hop in a Magnate or an Anathema, set it up for hacking/archaology, and enjoy those 24 days.

Learning to keep yourself occupied while you wait 30 days for that skill that you absolutely want to have finished training yesterday is a useful skill for surviving EVE Online.


It doesn't actually bother me THAT much. Thanks for the post anyway.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#231 - 2013-06-09 00:16:29 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

I agree with the OP, most of your replies have been sarcastic insults intended to demean and flame. There have also been quite a few other characters also doing the same thing. If it continues, I will personally report all of you until this thread get's locked, and then I will file petitions about it as well as file complaints with Customer Service. This needless harassment of new players or anyone else in this community is not acceptable.


Report away, little boy, then run back to WoW when the GM team tell you to HTFU. Be glad you're learning the lessons about EvE now, instead of a month from now when you're hauling your 1b+ ISK freighter and its multi-billion ISK load through Uedama and getting popped.

Lessons on the forum are free. Lessons in the game are rarely so.

Obviously you just rolled off the noob truck and definitely don't know what you're talking about. Time to do some schooling and set the record straight =

Forum lesson - I have done it many times in the past and will continue in the future to REPORT any violation of the Forum rules. Hell, where do you think the bounty on my character came from? Now if you really want my undivided attention I'll be more than happy to oblige.

Game lesson - Due to my 5 years of playing this game, I already had the required ship skills trained to level 5 which means the new ship skill change gave me all 4 racial Destroyer and all 4 racial Battlecruiser skills at level 5.

FYI = I've never played WoW. I rarely ever fly a Transport ship and when I do, it's a Blockade Runner fitted for stealth, speed and agility. Good luck catching that.

Schooling is done, class is dismissed.


DMC


'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#232 - 2013-06-09 03:14:04 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Actually, I have lost out. I would've been able to fly the freighter straight away if no changes were made. I was set back 24 days as a result of the changes. So you're wrong there.


Where did CCP ever say:

"If you cannot fly it before the patch, the time it takes to train it after will not change"?

CCP Said:

"If you can fly it before, you can fly it after."


Just like any other game or piece of software, it is the user's responsibility to keep abreast of upcoming changes. As it happens, CCP has made every effort to make that easy to do (5 to 18 months notice, multiple Dev Blogs, News items during the log in process, etc).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#233 - 2013-06-09 03:19:16 UTC
please note that having the feeling of being cheated is a universal feeling felt by all beings in the universe

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Oraac Ensor
#234 - 2013-06-09 05:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
#3 - News section in character selection screen, not reliable and buggy.
I've been in EVE for 18 months and have always found that news section very reliable and bug free.

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#5 - Newsletter definitely not reliable and mostly non-existent.
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Within my 5 yrs of playing this game I've never received a Newsletter from CCP.
Again, the newsletter is very reliable, although a bit variable regarding amount of content, and has arrived in my mail regularly during my membership. I didn't sign up to anything, other than the game itself, to get them - they just started rolling into the mail account that's linked to my EVE accounts. If you don't get them I guess you must have disabled them somehow.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
OMGAWD, which part of in-game do you not understand. The use of Launcher and Character Selection screen DOES NOT, and I repeat, DOES NOT justify as being in-game. Besides that, numerous times #401 has been shown in place of the news listed in the Character Selection screen.
When you've put in your account ident and password and clicked 'connect' you're in game. I've logged in every single day of the past 18 months (other than when the whole site has been offline, obviously) and never, ever seen a 401.

You often post very sensible replies in these forums, but I think you're off-target here.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#235 - 2013-06-09 07:23:03 UTC
Rees Noturana wrote:
CCP did a great job in communicating all the skill changes coming in Odyssey. Seriously.

Reading dev blogs is always a good idea.

Living in America it doesn't surprise me that people don't even bother reading up on dev blogs. Most Americans can't even tell you who their Vice President is, or what has happened outside of their house even though it's all over the news.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#236 - 2013-06-09 07:43:55 UTC
Lexar Mundi wrote:
Rees Noturana wrote:
CCP did a great job in communicating all the skill changes coming in Odyssey. Seriously.

Reading dev blogs is always a good idea.

Living in America it doesn't surprise me that people don't even bother reading up on dev blogs. Most Americans can't even tell you who their Vice President is, or what has happened outside of their house even though it's all over the news.


Rand Biden McCain, right?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Caprice Azar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#237 - 2013-06-09 08:43:45 UTC
What I find amusing is that a supposed newbie didn't get excited about seeing his first expansion coming up & find out more about it. Or notice any of the hype for the the 10 year anniversary fanfest where Odyssey was repeatedly talked about.

Or the corp he's in didn't have people talking about it - even the NPC corps had chatter about it. If he's in a player corp that makes it even worse - most alliances I know of had spam out about it months in advance (might indicate the value his corp places on it's members).

I mean, really, anyone playing any MMO should take a slight bit of interest in what the Dev's are up to - given general rebalancing passes, nerfings, and whatnot, it's just prudent. I've been through a few MMO's now and where to find dev notes to monitor are among the first things I look for.

And not to do so on an MMO that has a reputation for it's customer service / GM's to use the phrase 'Harden The **** Up' (even making a freaking song about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q) is just another layer of fail.

I always thought HTFU was 'Hulk the F up' until I heard that song... Lost your navy raven? Better start mining the isk for a new one, bucko...
Azeroth Uluntil
Last Chance for Redemption
FFEW Associates
#238 - 2013-06-09 08:47:52 UTC
Definitely enjoying the fact that CCP is screwing all those morons who don't bother to read about all the possible changes. The tears are epic and satisfying.

Not like any of these changes were discussed in local of any major systems at all over the last 5 months... Nope, not once...

Oh wait...

Funny thing is, one of your main whines is about the fact it wasn't readily available anywhere... Which it was. Right on the launcher... One of the first things most people that play this game probably do is READ THE DEV BLOGS.

Only been playing for 5 months? Look into some of the changes they are making on the test server. Not hard at all. Not even overly time consuming.

OP fails. Can I have your stuff if you quit?
hellcane
Never Back Down
#239 - 2013-06-09 14:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: hellcane
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

I agree with the OP, most of your replies have been sarcastic insults intended to demean and flame. There have also been quite a few other characters also doing the same thing. If it continues, I will personally report all of you until this thread get's locked, and then I will file petitions about it as well as file complaints with Customer Service. This needless harassment of new players or anyone else in this community is not acceptable.

DMC

We need a cleanup team ASAP! It is like a beach down there!
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#240 - 2013-06-13 14:53:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Zaryte wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Yes you did. Yes it is. No they aren't and yes they are.

Furthermore the change was amply and repeatedly communicated through devblogs. What the hell else did you expect CCP to do? Send you a kissagram?

You screwed up, son. Suck it up and deal with it like an adult.


No I didn't. And I believe I am dealing with it "like an adult". voicing my concerns on the official EVE website is the correct reaction.

And how many times do I need to repeat myself. I don't read blogs. I don't even know what a blog is or what it's meant to even stand for. Players are NOT expected to go outside of the game to other websites doing research. That's just not how it works.

Wow you really are dense. Repeating yourself doesn't make it correct. Go play something else...



Zaryte wrote:
At this point i'm no longer defending my argument. I'm just defending myself from the constant barrage of personal insults. You're getting to the point where you're just displaying that you enjoy laughing at those of us who were unfortunate enough to miss the information, whether it's our fault or not. You and many others instead need to take a look at yourself and ask "am I any longer a valued member of the EVE community?" The answer is no, it's people like you that make others not come to the forums.
We wish you hadn't come....

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...