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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2013-06-08 18:09:47 UTC
If you did that you would get kicked and you wouldn't get to kill anymore of their dudes or hold their corp for ransom.

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Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#162 - 2013-06-08 18:18:13 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Why should be recruiting a activity without risk? It's thousand times proven most recruiters have almost no clue of security matters. Just because it presumes work.Lol

Why should awoxing be an activity without risk?


It isn't. You're going up against an entire corp solo.


It is. You get absolutely free first kill, and able dock up any moment after that, should you decide it was enough.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#163 - 2013-06-08 18:49:52 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Why should be recruiting a activity without risk? It's thousand times proven most recruiters have almost no clue of security matters. Just because it presumes work.Lol

Why should awoxing be an activity without risk?


It isn't. You're going up against an entire corp solo.


It is. You get absolutely free first kill, and able dock up any moment after that, should you decide it was enough.


You only get a free kill if they give it to you.

If your entire corp can't defend itself from one guy, maybe you shouldn't be operating a publicly recruiting corp?

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Jezza McWaffle
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#164 - 2013-06-08 18:57:10 UTC
If Goons made one valid point in every 9000 posts it would be a miracle.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#165 - 2013-06-08 18:59:34 UTC
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
If Goons made one valid point in every 9000 posts it would be a miracle.


our points are valid because we're right

you just want to run a risk-free newbie tax farm

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#166 - 2013-06-08 19:00:19 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
You mean you shoot someone, then dock and hide from a entire corp solo?


the entire point is to stay undocked to avoid getting kicked

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Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#167 - 2013-06-08 19:03:57 UTC
For high sec i can understand this, if people decide to be pathetic players and awox they can move to low/null sec.
To bad though that atm the majority of high sec players are griefers so the chances of this changing would be pretty small.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#168 - 2013-06-08 19:14:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
If Goons made one valid point in every 9000 posts it would be a miracle.


our points are valid because we're right

you just want to run a risk-free newbie tax farm

Newbie tax farm?

Huh, there's all kinds in EVE I guess.

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Dave Stark
#169 - 2013-06-08 19:27:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Andski wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
If Goons made one valid point in every 9000 posts it would be a miracle.


our points are valid because we're right

you just want to run a risk-free newbie tax farm

Newbie tax farm?

Huh, there's all kinds in EVE I guess.


it could be your new alternative instead of renters if your invasion of fountain goes **** up.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2013-06-09 01:31:08 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Plenty of ways to stop the 1m SP pilot awoxer from getting into corp in the first place

Since when none is plenty?

Rest of the post is worthless because it is based on a completely wrong assumption.


You know, there's really only one way for you to make that claim with certainty...

Try it yourself. It takes like ten days to train up an alt like that anyway. Do it, try to get as many people as possible, and see how successful you are. See how many corp rejections you get compared to how many kills.


I don't understand why rejections matter.
Apply to 1000 corps, get 999 rejections, still get your risk-free kills.


So 999 corps had ways to keep the awoxer out. But I thought there weren't any ways to do that. "None" is what you said. Tell me more about how my assumptions are wrong.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#171 - 2013-06-09 01:34:21 UTC
killing idiots is risk-free

that's basically expected

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Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#172 - 2013-06-09 01:38:50 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Plenty of ways to stop the 1m SP pilot awoxer from getting into corp in the first place

Since when none is plenty?

Rest of the post is worthless because it is based on a completely wrong assumption.


You know, there's really only one way for you to make that claim with certainty...

Try it yourself. It takes like ten days to train up an alt like that anyway. Do it, try to get as many people as possible, and see how successful you are. See how many corp rejections you get compared to how many kills.


I don't understand why rejections matter.
Apply to 1000 corps, get 999 rejections, still get your risk-free kills.


So 999 corps had ways to keep the awoxer out. But I thought there weren't any ways to do that. "None" is what you said. Tell me more about how my assumptions are wrong.


I can also think of a way to stop a 1mill SP awoxer. Have an SP limit... So your argument that there is no ways is invalid...

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2013-06-09 02:36:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Andski wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Its not a false doomsday scenario its a good idea what are the benefits of being in a corp rather than creating your own corp and still playing with your friends in a coalition?


I don't know ask eveuni, they seem to do fine with 3000 members in a single corp in highsec


* Looks at eveuni list of awoxers.
* Confirms that any idea only goons are opposed to must be implemented asap.


okay let's remove awoxing and wardecs

to balance the removal of all remaining risk from highsec, incursions, l4s and DED sites are removed from highsec entirely


Agreed. And lets dump all the alts, 1 char per account. All accounts paid by same person cannot join more than 1 corp. Lets enter hard core mode.

On a side note. I still laugh at the poor blue Titan my old alliance blew up in Fountain because of their inept attempt at weeding out a spy. Poor sobs.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#174 - 2013-06-09 09:43:32 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
It is. You get absolutely free first kill, and able dock up any moment after that, should you decide it was enough.


Awoxing isn't as easy & risk-free as you seem to believe. If it was, pretty much everyone would be doing it. Now scamming idiots... That is easy & risk-free Big smile

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-06-09 09:58:44 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
has nobody provided the obvious solution; join the npc corp you can't awox people in the npc corp without incurring the wrath of concord.

added bonus: you won't be wardecced.


But then he won't be able to collect free money from his newbie tax farm, which is the only reason he thinks awoxing should be removed in the first place.

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Dave Stark
#176 - 2013-06-09 10:26:52 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
has nobody provided the obvious solution; join the npc corp you can't awox people in the npc corp without incurring the wrath of concord.

added bonus: you won't be wardecced.


But then he won't be able to collect free money from his newbie tax farm, which is the only reason he thinks awoxing should be removed in the first place.


i'm sure like the awoxers, he'll adapt and evolve. right?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#177 - 2013-06-09 20:01:24 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sure like the awoxers, he'll adapt and evolve. right?


Ahahaha. Oh boy, highsec people adapting, that was a good one.

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#178 - 2013-06-10 12:25:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
has nobody provided the obvious solution; join the npc corp you can't awox people in the npc corp without incurring the wrath of concord.

added bonus: you won't be wardecced.


But then he won't be able to collect free money from his newbie tax farm, which is the only reason he thinks awoxing should be removed in the first place.


Just dont recruit anyone into your noobie tax free haven create a coaliton of one man corps and your good to go. This way each member can do whatever they like such as setup pos's, FW or whatever without the fear of awoxers.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#179 - 2013-06-11 01:22:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
It is. You get absolutely free first kill, and able dock up any moment after that, should you decide it was enough.


Awoxing isn't as easy & risk-free as you seem to believe. If it was, pretty much everyone would be doing it. Now scamming idiots... That is easy & risk-free Big smile


but scamming is mean and if you scam its proof that you eat babies irl (ig) so why would you scam and tell everyone about your baby eating habits

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#180 - 2013-06-11 01:27:17 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
It is. You get absolutely free first kill, and able dock up any moment after that, should you decide it was enough.


Awoxing isn't as easy & risk-free as you seem to believe. If it was, pretty much everyone would be doing it. Now scamming idiots... That is easy & risk-free Big smile


but scamming is mean and if you scam its proof that you eat babies irl (ig) so why would you scam and tell everyone about your baby eating habits


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