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Has Eve altered your moral compass?

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Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-06-08 22:20:59 UTC
Goonwaffle turned me into a malicious shitposter i run around calling everything and everyone racial and homophobic slurs and i pull my pants down and gape my brown eye uncontrollably, my only income is by scamming.
Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-06-08 22:23:45 UTC
OP is assuming that the average EVE player had morals before playing......


Mag's
Azn Empire
#23 - 2013-06-08 22:25:17 UTC
No, the wife says I'm still an arse.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-06-08 22:33:59 UTC
I think my moral compass is broken. It only points North.



No, wait a minute, that is a regular compass. That is why I've been getting lost when I go out of town.Roll

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#25 - 2013-06-08 22:35:07 UTC
Has EVE altered my moral compass...no.
Has 48 Laws of Power altered my moral compass...no.

Combined my moral compass has been altered...
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-06-08 22:43:34 UTC
no, because I recognize Eve is just a game. I don't hold any real malice towards those I shoot any more than I 'hate' the person I'm playing Backgammon against. In chess you 'kill' enemy soldiers until you can depose the enemy king himself. No one considers playing chess as an indictment of one's moral compass. Eve is no different than paintball without the welts.

I also don't get my self-esteem from games, and I think this is a critical point. I've done enough in my real life to not get excited over wins or losses in a video game. I think this is where young players fall into that stereotype of smack talking and endless ganking. They just haven't done anything in real life to compare to a video game and so their skill at the game begins to mean alot to their self-esteem.

All games let you pretend to be something you're likely not.....pro football player in Madden, F1 driver in..well F1 20whatever....Eve let me be a scary space pirate for awhile which is something I'll just never really get to be. Now I enjoy being a sov null alliance pilot and exploring the higher end of PvP as opposed to that decidedly low budget piracy in low sec. It's similar to the military, which I miss since leaving it, but without actual life and death danger.

I don't consider morality at all in games really. I try to play them 'as intended' and Eve is based on the concepts of Non-Consensual PvP combined with real loss for losing. This is the most important aspect of Eve to me, despite having been on the receiving end of the consequences many times. Even losing in Eve is usually pretty fun (if you're not a care bear). But it is that core paradigm that has kept me playing (and paying) for years.
Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
#27 - 2013-06-08 22:52:42 UTC
No, if anything, it's made it stronger. When I see a person that enjoys making other people miserable - for "tears" or just because they think that is what EVE is about - it saddens me. It's always easier to do the bad thing in-game or in-life. It's always easier to steal than to earn. It's always easier to take than to give. It's always easier to be selfish than to be altruistic. I realize that it's just a game but regardless, acting like that in any manner just reinforces those beliefs on us so we are more apt to do them again.

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#28 - 2013-06-08 22:58:37 UTC
Raptors Mole wrote:
Professional in my Job, husband to my wife and father to my daughter. Try to do all three well.

In eve though.

I play Raptors naturally - normal traits. Pretty straight up kinda guy.

alt 1 is a complete bastard of a pirate. Rather kill than ransom. will pop all the industrials I catch, will pop noob ships, will do rude things to corpses. In short a polar opposite.

alt 2 is a trader, and funds the majority of my pew pew. Cutthroat, none of that fair trade stuff.

Does EvE affect my moral compass in real life? Nope. Its a game. Even the meta game, manipulation, awoxing etc. still a game - and it wont put fuel in my car, salmon on my table or a pretty bisexual chick in our bed.



Are you sure about that very last part? Blink

I'm just as honest in real life as I am in the game. They are one and the same. I tell everyone everything about myself pretty much. Sorry, I don't double dollars.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#29 - 2013-06-08 23:01:44 UTC
Zak Breen wrote:
No, if anything, it's made it stronger. When I see a person that enjoys making other people miserable - for "tears" or just because they think that is what EVE is about - it saddens me. It's always easier to do the bad thing in-game or in-life. It's always easier to steal than to earn. It's always easier to take than to give. It's always easier to be selfish than to be altruistic. I realize that it's just a game but regardless, acting like that in any manner just reinforces those beliefs on us so we are more apt to do them again.

People enjoy the game. Much like people enjoy chess, even though this may entail the taking of your queen.

To say that because people play a game within the rules it was designed and set out, in anyway reflects upon their real life morals is ridiculous.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#30 - 2013-06-08 23:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Q 5
I know people don't like quotes from the Bible here but here's is something personally I always pondered.

Why did GOD flood the world.

Coming here to eve and seeing how much of the people do behave as far as their true nature comes out I now understand why GOD drowned the RATS (people).

That being said there are very few people who are true to good moral behavior, cause even though it's game theres a real is human on the other side of that keyboard.

No need to be evil to that real person who's minding their own.

And saying well it's a game is not a reason to bugger them then troll them for lolz.

The difference is in the real world we are forced to behave because there are real consequences the anonymity of the net people become naked.

I never claim to be of the highest moral caliber but I do try to control my impulses to do as I'm tempted to do alot and it's not easy but I get better at it the more I make effort.

Otherwise I choose mediocrity.
Riyal
invidious Squid
#31 - 2013-06-08 23:06:45 UTC
Morals change - nope.

Learned things that are aplicable to life - yes.

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh

Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#32 - 2013-06-08 23:16:36 UTC
My moral compass always points to good.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2013-06-08 23:18:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Nah. Why would it?



'Cause EVE, unlike every other game, is morally equivalent to Real Life. Blink

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#34 - 2013-06-08 23:22:58 UTC
Nope. You can be whatever you want to in EvE, and react however you want to other peoples actions. I can be a prick if I want, it's just a game. It doesn't change who I am and how I interact with the outside world.....I don't interact with the outside world. Lol

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-06-08 23:25:36 UTC
Zak Breen wrote:
No, if anything, it's made it stronger. When I see a person that enjoys making other people miserable - for "tears" or just because they think that is what EVE is about - it saddens me. It's always easier to do the bad thing in-game or in-life. It's always easier to steal than to earn. It's always easier to take than to give. It's always easier to be selfish than to be altruistic. I realize that it's just a game but regardless, acting like that in any manner just reinforces those beliefs on us so we are more apt to do them again.



Zak, it's just a game. I once overthought a level 1 mission that sent me to lowsec and didn't see what I was looking for and wandered off in my Kestral from the mission site thinking I could find it - and I saw a column of red coming at me and was blown to smithereens - I had no time to react.

I took my pod home, got another ship next day and thinking that maybe that was part of the mission I went back to that same spot where I had strayed. It was quiet on screen - no redness. Then in local some guys started saying hi; another guy said, I think we have a 'tryhard' on our hands. I knew that these guys weren't npc's lol and they were the ones that blew me up the night before. I scrolled local and understood that somewhere around me was a gang of twenty dudes just waiting to see what I was going to do. It was eerie. I said hi in local, and said oh you must be the guys that blew me up yesterday. Couple of em said, yep and you're back. I explained that I had thought the area was part of a mission, but now that I realize that it isn't I'll be off, but told them it had been fun. They laughed and then I opened up a can of gtfo as fast as I could.

Point to all that Zak is that they weren't evil dudes, heck they let me live even though I came back a second time. They were playing the game the way they liked, and I was playing the game the way I thought I should. I happened to just overthink things, and I learned a lesson. Did I want to get blowed up? NO! But I did, and I learned. That's the beauty of this game to me. It's just a game!
Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#36 - 2013-06-08 23:26:43 UTC
If everybody acted like they do in EVE they'd all be in prison within a year so I don't think people let the game translate -that- much into real life. Smile
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#37 - 2013-06-08 23:32:11 UTC
It hasn't affected my moral compass. Not because it is a game (events in game can lead you to think and realize about something in real life, just like any other fiction can), but because I haven't encountered yet anything that would have made me rethink any positions I hold on... well, anything. If I was younger, then maybe it might have had effect.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia

Amarra Mandalin
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2013-06-08 23:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
I was seriously anti-podding when I joined EVE and remained so for about a year, even as a pirate PvPer.
Then I tried it and liked it, especially when implants were counted.
Then it was helpless industrials in lowsec.
When I was in another game I wanted to gank people that were a bit jerky.
I blame/thank EVE for these new tendencies of pixel violence.

BUT...I'm still nice to people and treat them with the respect they deserve. So, no.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-06-08 23:37:08 UTC
It hasn't altered my moral compass, but it did help me learn to distinguish things that should bother me from things that shouldn't bother me.

Turns out, very few things should bother me. And now they don't.

And I'm much happier.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-06-08 23:37:49 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
What moral compass?


This

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.