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Awoxing & Dueling
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-06-07 20:42:20 UTC
"as a supercapital pilot in ncdot, let me tell you how much i hate risk averse players"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#142 - 2013-06-07 21:36:10 UTC
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I would have to say the Awoxer is more risk averse than the carebear he is shooting.


You don't get to talk about risk aversion, ever.


Why, cuz he's right?

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Doddy
Excidium.
#143 - 2013-06-07 21:42:19 UTC
Duelling is way to limiting to do this, and awoxing is a needed part of the game anyway.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#144 - 2013-06-07 22:01:08 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Gives it all away


And still... I see we aren't listening, are we?

Do you know who the **** you're talking to, OP? I am starting to think you don't, or you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#145 - 2013-06-07 22:15:43 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Duelling is way to limiting to do this, and awoxing is a needed part of the game anyway.


New corp role would be a much better fit.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2013-06-07 22:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Alright. I don't normally post this info in public, but extremely mad OP has tricked me into revealing the secret to stopping me....


I was going to Like that post, but then said to myself "heck no." OP has said there is nothing his entire corp can do to stop a 1m SP pilot in a destroyer and frankly I believe him. There is nothing his entire corp can do... because his corp is #fail. Plenty of ways to stop the 1m SP pilot awoxer from getting into corp in the first place, but he also claims his corp can't do that either.

So what exactly can his corp do? What service do they provide their pilots for the money they get in taxes? Apparently it isn't their knowledge of game mechanics. It isn't their ability to defend their corpmates. It isn't even their ability to keep the riff-raf out. Fail corp is fail and OP is right there is nothing his corp can do.

I'd recommend his corpmates find a different corp with a competent CEO and Recruiter.

EDIT: I have unfairly tarred the OP. It is Basil Pupkin and his corp Why So Platypus that is apparently unable to protect their corpmates. He's so vocal and terribly wrong, I had forgotten that he isn't even the OP.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#147 - 2013-06-07 22:36:11 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Plenty of ways to stop the 1m SP pilot awoxer from getting into corp in the first place

Since when none is plenty?

Rest of the post is worthless because it is based on a completely wrong assumption.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#148 - 2013-06-07 23:17:58 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Plenty of ways to stop the 1m SP pilot awoxer from getting into corp in the first place

Since when none is plenty?

Rest of the post is worthless because it is based on a completely wrong assumption.


You know, there's really only one way for you to make that claim with certainty...

Try it yourself. It takes like ten days to train up an alt like that anyway. Do it, try to get as many people as possible, and see how successful you are. See how many corp rejections you get compared to how many kills.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#149 - 2013-06-08 00:23:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Plenty of ways to stop the 1m SP pilot awoxer from getting into corp in the first place

Since when none is plenty?

Rest of the post is worthless because it is based on a completely wrong assumption.


You know, there's really only one way for you to make that claim with certainty...

Try it yourself. It takes like ten days to train up an alt like that anyway. Do it, try to get as many people as possible, and see how successful you are. See how many corp rejections you get compared to how many kills.


I don't understand why rejections matter.
Apply to 1000 corps, get 999 rejections, still get your risk-free kills.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#150 - 2013-06-08 00:27:05 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Duelling is way to limiting to do this, and awoxing is a needed part of the game anyway.


New corp role would be a much better fit.


So: "Join my corp, everyone but you will have the role to shoot you, and will, and you'll be unable to do anything about it."


Don't invite people you don't trust into your corp. Simple as that.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#151 - 2013-06-08 01:10:20 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Duelling is way to limiting to do this, and awoxing is a needed part of the game anyway.


New corp role would be a much better fit.


So: "Join my corp, everyone but you will have the role to shoot you, and will, and you'll be unable to do anything about it."


Don't invite people you don't trust into your corp. Simple as that.


To shoot each other people need a mutual role, which was quite extensively explained in the thread you didn't read.

By the way, are you kidding with that trust thing there? I couldn't have myself invited in my own corp if I used that rule.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#152 - 2013-06-08 01:15:33 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
By the way, are you kidding with that trust thing there? I couldn't have myself invited in my own corp if I used that rule.


Why shouldn't you have to trust someone to invite them into your group (and collect taxes from them)?

If you don't trust someone enough, just form a chat channel and fly with them that way.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-06-08 03:04:07 UTC
No, keep awoxing until highsec becomes considerably less safe, like making concord tankable again.

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Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#154 - 2013-06-08 05:57:58 UTC
There are essentially 2 flavors of PvP games... and each comes with some benefits and some drawbacks. You can have a game that is free-for-all (FFA) PvP, like EVE. Or you can have some flavor of you-can-only-shoot-some-guys PvP.

The problem with limited PvP (whether by faction, guild affiliation, or shirt color) is that you create a safe haven for certain kinds of jerks. I can't play games with realm-vs-realm PvP, for example, because I get soooo frustrated at being forced by game mechanics to 'support' everyone who chooses to be part of my realm, including mouth-breathing losers that desperately need a virtual kick to the pants/sword to the face/laser to the hull.

I'm a giant freaking hi-sec carebear in EVE - feel free to check my complete lack of a killboard. But I choose a virtual world where I have the option to actually do something other than rant if my corpmate turns out to be a complete waste of biomass. I don't trust many folks here - but those I do trust have earned it.

Every FFA PvP game I've played (and that includes EVE) tends to cause the lowlife elements to clump up, for lack of a better description. Games without that, whether pure PvE or limited PvP, tend to have a much more even distribution of pond scum throughout the water. I play both types - but they require different mindsets and different coping mechanisms for the inevitable jerks.
Dave Stark
#155 - 2013-06-08 07:37:32 UTC
has nobody provided the obvious solution; join the npc corp you can't awox people in the npc corp without incurring the wrath of concord.

added bonus: you won't be wardecced.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#156 - 2013-06-08 07:47:38 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
But where is the risk when it comes to awoxing. Gankers take the risk of concord. I believe the greatest risk an awoxer takes is the potential of the rest of the corp showing up and doing what concord is too lazy to do.

Awoxing is no risk all reward. Yes their name is slandered all over the forums but only a small pct of players actually reads the forums.

TBH if you recruit an awoxer with a bad history of hitting his/her corpmates then its your own fault but why even give them a chance make them earn that kill.

Why should be recruiting a activity without risk? It's thousand times proven most recruiters have almost no clue of security matters. Just because it presumes work.Lol
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#157 - 2013-06-08 15:08:17 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Why should be recruiting a activity without risk? It's thousand times proven most recruiters have almost no clue of security matters. Just because it presumes work.Lol

Why should awoxing be an activity without risk?

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#158 - 2013-06-08 16:26:02 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Basil Pupkin wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Why should be recruiting a activity without risk? It's thousand times proven most recruiters have almost no clue of security matters. Just because it presumes work.Lol

Why should awoxing be an activity without risk?


It isn't. You're going up against an entire corp solo.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#159 - 2013-06-08 17:47:55 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Why should be recruiting a activity without risk? It's thousand times proven most recruiters have almost no clue of security matters. Just because it presumes work.Lol

Why should awoxing be an activity without risk?


It isn't. You're going up against an entire corp solo.

You mean you shoot someone, then dock and hide from a entire corp solo?
Dave Stark
#160 - 2013-06-08 18:01:46 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Why should be recruiting a activity without risk? It's thousand times proven most recruiters have almost no clue of security matters. Just because it presumes work.Lol

Why should awoxing be an activity without risk?


It isn't. You're going up against an entire corp solo.

You mean you shoot someone, then dock and hide from a entire corp solo?


no, because then you can be removed from the corp if you're docked. so you remain active in space where you're fair game for an entire hornet's nest that you've just stirred up.