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Why EvE Free to Play Mechanics needs improvment.
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Lexmana
#41 - 2013-06-08 17:35:18 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
I see people leaving the game bacause they dotn either A. have RL to support the game. or B. dont have enough time to get the isk to purchase a plex.

It sound like a valid argument until you realize that subscription is 11-15 USD/EUR per month. If you are even remotely dedicated to EVE it shouldn't be to hard to prioritise such cost (in my town that equals ≈ a burger and 2 beers a month).
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#42 - 2013-06-08 17:35:21 UTC
The fact you made this thread is proof that EvE is not free to play. If it was, you wouldn't be asking for the changes you're asking for.

Oh god.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#43 - 2013-06-08 17:35:22 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
free ratting/mining/mission bots

sounds great


vrs the ones you already have on an alt account?

big diffence is if you get podded you have to plex up to upgrade the clone.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#44 - 2013-06-08 17:39:23 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
The fact you made this thread is proof that EvE is not free to play. If it was, you wouldn't be asking for the changes you're asking for.


the fact i made this thread is i want to see the ftp mechanics improved but never remove the inherit sub mechanic from the game.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-06-08 17:40:17 UTC
Bad idea that can be easily abused. No thanks.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#46 - 2013-06-08 17:40:55 UTC
Freakdevil wrote:
Bad idea that can be easily abused. No thanks.


elaberate.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#47 - 2013-06-08 17:48:44 UTC
i would even add an overview/local tag that indicates if the players is currently protected under PLEX(sub)

something like a green money sign next to thier picture...

it would be a mini profession to suicide gank those people to force them to buy a plex...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#48 - 2013-06-08 17:52:26 UTC
You blew your cover. The trolling was decent up until the green money signs part.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2013-06-08 17:56:06 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
The fact you made this thread is proof that EvE is not free to play. If it was, you wouldn't be asking for the changes you're asking for.

the fact i made this thread is i want to see the ftp mechanics improved but never remove the inherit sub mechanic from the game.

There is no F2P mechanic. What you want is introduce one, which can't really work since the game is designed around a completely different and almost entirely incompatible business model.

Again, if you want CCP to start giving away services for free, you have to propose some mechanism that lets them make that money back (and then some).
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#50 - 2013-06-08 17:59:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Again, if you want CCP to start giving away services for free, you have to propose some mechanism that lets them make that money back (and then some).


more people playing the game means more plex bought = more money for CCP. you assume that this could decase profit for ccp.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#51 - 2013-06-08 18:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarpedo
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.
…except that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play.


Exactly the same principle work for every F2P game. They aren't charities - someone always pay for others, just not directly like it's (primitively) done in EVE.

To OP: there is "ideas" forum with thousands of great and stillborn ideas.

P.S. Off-grid booster alt accounts = EVE's "pay to win" variant.
hellcane
Never Back Down
#52 - 2013-06-08 18:02:16 UTC
The troll is strong with this one.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#53 - 2013-06-08 18:03:19 UTC
hellcane wrote:
The troll is strong with this one.


Troll or stupidity. Though one could say they go hand in hand.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2013-06-08 18:08:19 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
more people playing the game means more plex bought = more money for CCP.
Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?

Quote:
you assume that this could decase profit for ccp.
…because there's nothing to suggest that it won't since all you're proposing is that they give away paid-for services for free.
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#55 - 2013-06-08 18:10:12 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
EVE is a subscription game.





Yup, F2P is where you play for free but you pay for everything with RL $$.

If EVE were F2P you would have to buy the right to fly a BC before you could use the ship.

That is how F2P works, it is not about the free part, it is about the horrible MT market that comes with it.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#56 - 2013-06-08 18:14:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Quote:
you assume that this could decase profit for ccp.
…because there's nothing to suggest that it won't since all you're proposing is that they give away paid-for services for free.


as an insentive to get enough isk or rl money to re-sub to the game yes.

less people leaving the game mean more fl money for ccp.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#57 - 2013-06-08 18:16:28 UTC
Xavier Liche wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
EVE is a subscription game.





Yup, F2P is where you play for free but you pay for everything with RL $$.

If EVE were F2P you would have to buy the right to fly a BC before you could use the ship.

That is how F2P works, it is not about the free part, it is about the horrible MT market that comes with it.


indeed. and that is why eve is somewhat ftp. its ftp in teh sence you dont have to pay a dime to play . its not ftp because someone had to pay 20 bucks for that plex. its a great mechanic and i would like to enhance it.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#58 - 2013-06-08 18:18:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?

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no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Lexmana
#59 - 2013-06-08 18:22:25 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Xavier Liche wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
EVE is a subscription game.





Yup, F2P is where you play for free but you pay for everything with RL $$.

If EVE were F2P you would have to buy the right to fly a BC before you could use the ship.

That is how F2P works, it is not about the free part, it is about the horrible MT market that comes with it.


indeed. and that is why eve is somewhat ftp. its ftp in teh sence you dont have to pay a dime to play . its not ftp because someone had to pay 20 bucks for that plex. its a great mechanic and i would like to enhance it.

By your definition every game is free to play if it is possible to convince someone else to pay your bill.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#60 - 2013-06-08 18:22:26 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?

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no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.


Not for anyone who doesn't need anymore SP or doesn't risk clones. Pretty much this system would be exploited to hell, and will only cause a loss in profits for CCP then any increases.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden