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Dear CCP please explain SP Reimbursement.

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Finedele
Epiphany of the almighty omnipotent Sphynx
Pandemic Horde
#141 - 2013-06-08 16:38:24 UTC
what an epic thread
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#142 - 2013-06-08 16:39:01 UTC
I would ask for the OPs stuff, but after reading this trainwreck of a thread I doubt he has anything more than a couple of noobfrigs lying around.
Dave Stark
#143 - 2013-06-08 16:39:56 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
I would ask for the OPs stuff, but after reading this trainwreck of a thread I doubt he has anything more than a couple of noobfrigs lying around.


i think they'd have more trouble creating the contract...
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#144 - 2013-06-08 16:42:09 UTC
Mental Peasant wrote:
Tippia wrote:
No they shouldn't, since that would defeat the purpose of tiercide and all the improvements that come with it. BCs and dessies are T1 hull skills. They are now treated as T1 hull skills rather than T2 skills. This makes the ship progression logical and consistent along the entire line of T1 ship classes.

There is absolutely no reason to keep the old system.


I do see the benefits from the change and as you said it does make things more consistent.

What does bother me a bit is what in the past took you 14+ hours to achieve. Now takes 19+ days


What are you talking about. What the hell previously took 14+ hours, and now takes more than 19+ days to train that is relevant to the skill changes? (hint: absolutely nothing)
Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#145 - 2013-06-08 16:42:20 UTC
Op you were actually reimbursed over 1m sp for your bc skill. It clearly states you need racial cruiser lmk 3 at least to get the racial bc skill. The only problem I see is your ability to comprehend this simple change. If you were really concerned about getting the appropriate skills you would have made an attempt to find out what you need to train before the patch came out. CCP doesn't owe you any sp, you only have yourself and your own stupidity to blame. If after reading all the posts in this thread you still don't understand, maybe this isn't the game for you... We like to use our brains here.

It seems to me like you are just trying to cry your way into some free sp,which you will not receive. It is not hard to understand, to get racial bc 5 you need racial cruiser 3 and bc 5. How can you not understand this ???
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#146 - 2013-06-08 16:42:21 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
I would ask for the OPs stuff, but after reading this trainwreck of a thread I doubt he has anything more than a couple of noobfrigs lying around.



2 pages ago, OP offered a bunch of 2m SP mining toons for 2 PLEX each.

He beat you to the punch.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Namasta
Doomheim
#147 - 2013-06-08 16:57:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Quote:

And so they could not fly any Battlecruisers? And it looks like you got ~ 1mil SP back as unassigned SP?

yes as partialy trained lvl 5 BC and lvl 2 frig, but by rules you all talking about i must have nothing and bc skill removed.

If you had no cruiser skill (which you apparently didn't), then the rule was that you get any SP in the now-useless Battlecruisers skill back. Everything is as it should be.

It is, however, the complete opposite of what you said in the OP: “now i have 1 racial BC lvl 5. No SP Reimbursement” — you do not have a racial BC V; you [ı]do[/i] have reimbursed SP.

so you say if have all races frig lvl1 or 2 than i will have reimbursment sp for all race bc ?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#148 - 2013-06-08 17:01:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Namasta wrote:
so you say if have all races frig lvl1 or 2 than i will have reimbursment sp for all race bc ?
No. I'm saying that if you had Battlecruisers trained, but did not have any Cruiser skill trained to III or more, you would have gotten the SP from Batllecruisers back. And you did. Frigates have nothing to do with it.

Also there is no “all race BC” about it — there was only one Battlecruisers skill, and it was all you had any chance of getting reimbursed (which you did) since that skill was removed in the patch.
Mister McDerp
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2013-06-08 17:02:11 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Quote:

And so they could not fly any Battlecruisers? And it looks like you got ~ 1mil SP back as unassigned SP?

yes as partialy trained lvl 5 BC and lvl 2 frig, but by rules you all talking about i must have nothing and bc skill removed.

If you had no cruiser skill (which you apparently didn't), then the rule was that you get any SP in the now-useless Battlecruisers skill back. Everything is as it should be.

It is, however, the complete opposite of what you said in the OP: “now i have 1 racial BC lvl 5. No SP Reimbursement” — you do not have a racial BC V; you [ı]do[/i] have reimbursed SP.

so you say if have all races frig lvl1 or 2 than i will have reimbursment sp for all race bc ?


I had to take a look in here again.

I cried irl

Suggestion right now: I come online on this character, i convo you, and try to explain. Because I'm about to murder a puppy.

Think of the puppies.
Sarmatiko
#150 - 2013-06-08 17:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Namasta wrote:

so you say if have all races frig lvl1 or 2 than i will have reimbursment sp for all race bc ?

You should consider yourself lucky, because If you'd trained all skills properly, now you would have low SP miner chars with all racial Cruiser/Battlecruiser skills and that is probably not what you expected to achieve ("lololo I can get 6 mil SP for free!!1") Lol
CCP never promised that you will get 6 mil SP in freely allocable form, they promised that you get them in trained skills.
Namasta
Doomheim
#151 - 2013-06-08 17:11:22 UTC
Mister McDerp wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Quote:

And so they could not fly any Battlecruisers? And it looks like you got ~ 1mil SP back as unassigned SP?

yes as partialy trained lvl 5 BC and lvl 2 frig, but by rules you all talking about i must have nothing and bc skill removed.

If you had no cruiser skill (which you apparently didn't), then the rule was that you get any SP in the now-useless Battlecruisers skill back. Everything is as it should be.

It is, however, the complete opposite of what you said in the OP: “now i have 1 racial BC lvl 5. No SP Reimbursement” — you do not have a racial BC V; you [ı]do[/i] have reimbursed SP.

so you say if have all races frig lvl1 or 2 than i will have reimbursment sp for all race bc ?


I had to take a look in here again.

I cried irl

Suggestion right now: I come online on this character, i convo you, and try to explain. Because I'm about to murder a puppy.

Think of the puppies.

i dont play this game any more, you all can tell you storys to other peoples that have character that can fly any bc in few hours before patch and now have couple of month to do the same.

CCP please close this thread you done all right. iam wrong. you win.
Namasta
Doomheim
#152 - 2013-06-08 17:12:06 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Namasta wrote:

so you say if have all races frig lvl1 or 2 than i will have reimbursment sp for all race bc ?

You should consider yourself lucky, because If you'd trained all skills properly, now you would have low SP miner chars with all racial Cruiser/Battlecruiser skills and that is just stupid Lol
CCP never promised that you get 6 mil SP in freely allocable form, they promised that you get them in trained skills.

gtfo
Mister McDerp
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-06-08 17:13:01 UTC
Namasta wrote:

i dont play this game any more, you all can tell you storys to other peoples that have character that can fly any bc in few hours before patch and now have couple of month to do the same.

CCP please close this thread you done all right. iam wrong. you win.


But the puppies
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#154 - 2013-06-08 17:15:15 UTC
Namasta wrote:


i dont play this game any more, you all can tell you storys to other peoples that have character that can fly any bc in few hours before patch and now have couple of month to do the same.

CCP please close this thread you done all right. iam wrong. you win.


Tell me again how you with your 1m SP chars could fly ALL bc in a few hours before, with none of the skills apart from Battlecruiser?

Now tell me why getting 20d worth of skill points back for a skill you trained that you had no use for is a bad thing?

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Mental Peasant
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2013-06-08 17:19:47 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Mental Peasant wrote:
Tippia wrote:
No they shouldn't, since that would defeat the purpose of tiercide and all the improvements that come with it. BCs and dessies are T1 hull skills. They are now treated as T1 hull skills rather than T2 skills. This makes the ship progression logical and consistent along the entire line of T1 ship classes.

There is absolutely no reason to keep the old system.


I do see the benefits from the change and as you said it does make things more consistent.

What does bother me a bit is what in the past took you 14+ hours to achieve. Now takes 19+ days


What are you talking about. What the hell previously took 14+ hours, and now takes more than 19+ days to train that is relevant to the skill changes? (hint: absolutely nothing)


If you had Battlecruisers V you just needed racial cruiser skill to 3 to fly other races. Now you need racial cruiser 3 plus racial battlecruiser V

The different is now you need 1.536.000SP more to achieve the same.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#156 - 2013-06-08 17:20:52 UTC
Mental Peasant wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Mental Peasant wrote:
Tippia wrote:
No they shouldn't, since that would defeat the purpose of tiercide and all the improvements that come with it. BCs and dessies are T1 hull skills. They are now treated as T1 hull skills rather than T2 skills. This makes the ship progression logical and consistent along the entire line of T1 ship classes.

There is absolutely no reason to keep the old system.


I do see the benefits from the change and as you said it does make things more consistent.

What does bother me a bit is what in the past took you 14+ hours to achieve. Now takes 19+ days


What are you talking about. What the hell previously took 14+ hours, and now takes more than 19+ days to train that is relevant to the skill changes? (hint: absolutely nothing)


If you had Battlecruisers V you just needed racial cruiser skill to 3 to fly other races. Now you need racial cruiser 3 plus racial battlecruiser V

The different is now you need 1.536.000SP more to achieve the same.

Battlecruiser

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#157 - 2013-06-08 17:27:41 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Namasta, here is the CSM's position on this:

You misread the devblog, you're not getting any free SP, no one else in your position got free SP, get over it.

you have lack of support done whis it.



hahah oh wow


OK son

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mister McDerp
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2013-06-08 17:28:19 UTC
Rhivre wrote:

Battlecruiser


Yeah he means to have the same "effect" with the Ship. And he is right. But that is, after all, a Gamedesign Decision by CCP (one that i agree with). And if you are new now and have to skill a racial Battlecruiser instead of a battlecruiser for all races, thats how it is. Tough luck.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#159 - 2013-06-08 17:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Glathull
ITT: I tried to fuckening the system and failed miserably. Maybe my troll will win over 9000 if I pretend to only speak stupid.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#160 - 2013-06-08 18:08:28 UTC
Well, the OP is right, there was no dev blog nor any other available resource in his native language.

It's inconceivable, but game companies and also EVE ingame corps apparently do not bother to translate everything from english to moronic.