These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Why EvE Free to Play Mechanics needs improvment.
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Lexmana
#21 - 2013-06-08 15:30:20 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
EVE is a subscription game.




This.

It is as simple as that. Also, EVE is not a very good platform for F2P so your idea is dumb.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-06-08 15:32:27 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.


You have no idea what F2P is.
Didn't read the rest.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#23 - 2013-06-08 15:38:04 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
EVE is a subscription game.




This.

It is as simple as that. Also, EVE is not a very good platform for F2P so your idea is dumb.


No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...


People say if you enhanced this feature then ccp looses money... But if people stop playing ccp looses money anyways. So this would reduce the amount of people leaving the game which could increase the amount of plex sold on market...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#24 - 2013-06-08 15:40:27 UTC
There is a difference between free to play for in game currency and F2P.

While the end result is the same for some players, it's a completely different mechanic.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2013-06-08 15:42:01 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...
…which doesn't change the fact that the game is subscription-based, not F2P.

Quote:
People say if you enhanced this feature then ccp looses money... But if people stop playing ccp looses money anyways.
…but also have lowered costs since they're not creating and server or bandwidth load.

Quote:
So this would reduce the amount of people leaving the game which could increase the amount of plex sold on market.
How does a scheme that relies on people using PLEX less cause more PLEX to be sold?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#26 - 2013-06-08 16:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
MeBiatch wrote:


No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

Your friend may not be paying for his gametime in hard cash, but somebody else is.
Every plex on the market has been paid for with cash, even the ones CCP injected from their confiscated stash, they don't just magically appear.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#27 - 2013-06-08 16:41:12 UTC
Play to Pay isn't the same as Free to Play.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#28 - 2013-06-08 16:57:22 UTC
I think the op maybe expects that only people in a crunch would us the "keep playing for free feature" for just long enough to make enough for a plex and everyone else would just be nice enough to pay on time when they're supposed to. Eve Online Honor System Edition.

.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#29 - 2013-06-08 16:58:34 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Play to Pay isn't the same as Free to Play.


debateable... its 'semi' free to play.

hell how to sweeten the pot... you make it so if you want to upgrade your clone you have to have an active sub.

the point is to allow players to continue to ammass wealth to buy the next plex so they can continue to play.

having SP gain and the ability to upgrade clones turned off without an active sub would do this.

arguments against are peopel who say well we get free alts and such... well we got free alts anyways... so its not that big of a difference.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#30 - 2013-06-08 16:59:30 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Cat Casidy wrote:
I think the op maybe expects that only people in a crunch would us the "keep playing for free feature" for just long enough to make enough for a plex and everyone else would just be nice enough to pay on time when they're supposed to. Eve Online Honor System Edition.



somewhat yes. there is an assumption that peole like me are addicted to sp gain and will want that back asap.

Edit:
I updated the op to include the loss of ability to upgrade or replace a clone if account is not subbed/plexed. to encourage people to continue to purchase plex.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#31 - 2013-06-08 17:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
Shocked ...but...but I was being sarcastic!

.
Lexmana
#32 - 2013-06-08 17:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
MeBiatch wrote:
No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

You know most games have players that let someone else pay their bills. It is just that in EVE you don't have to ask your parent to do it; you can ask another player instead. But that doesn't make it free to play. Someone still pays your subscription.

F2P is a completely different business model and need games that are built for that purpose. Typically, F2P games need 10-100 times more players for the same revenue as subscription games. How would you think TQ would cope with 4 or even 40 million players ...??

Also, the gameplay in EVE is built on long term goals and social relationships. It is not like WOT for example where all that is expected of you is to log in whenever and push battle to "enjoy" the game with random kids that generally suck and only focus on their own thing .... EVE needs a bit more dedication from its players.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#33 - 2013-06-08 17:19:04 UTC
Jassmin Joy wrote:
EvE is not free to play, and never has been.
Someone is always paying for the game time, even if it's not you. you buy a months worth of paid game time for an ingame currency but someone out there still paid for the time,


If something is free over an extended period of time it's always likely someone else is paying for it. My free TV channels are paid for by suckers who buy what they advertise.
Lilliana Stelles
#34 - 2013-06-08 17:20:58 UTC
UNLIMITED FREE MINING ALTS.

The bots would rule us all.

Not a forum alt. 
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#35 - 2013-06-08 17:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Lexmana wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

You know most games have players that let someone else paying their bills. It is just that in EVE you don't have to ask your parent to do it you can ask another player instead. But that doesn't make it free to play. Someone still pays your subscription.

F2P is a completely different business model and need games that are built for that purpose. Typically, F2P games need 10-100 times more players for the same revenue as subscription games. How would you think TQ would cope with 4 million players ...??

Also, the gameplay in EVE is built on long term goals and social relationships. It is not like WOT for example where all that is expected of you is to log in whenever and push battle to "enjoy" the game with random kids that generally suck and only focus on their own thing .... EVE needs a bit more dedication from its players.


eve with 4 million subs would be epic. but thankfully that wont be for like 15 years so teh tech will be supported to handle that... imagine jita with 20k in system.Shocked

with Plex its an interesting situation.

Yes someone has to actually purchase that plex with rl money to inject it into the game. but no you dont actually have to pay any real life money once that plex is in game.

so yes. eve is sub based. but it also allows the ability for it to be ftp. but not like the ftp models that exist and noor would i want it that way.

i see people leaving the game bacause they dotn either A. have RL to support the game. or B. dont have enough time to get the isk to purchase a plex.

by removing Sp gain and clone replacement but still allowing people to make isk and then purcahse a plex would make it so less people would leave the game and ipso facto increase the amount of plex purcahsed. as demand would go up.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-06-08 17:24:45 UTC
What I'd like to see is a 250mil ISK smaller sized PLEX. $19 version can be too much, but a $9.99 would be nice.

What PLEX was intended for originally has changed to a means to pay for many items, but the amount for it hasn't scaled for the price and it's new purpose.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-06-08 17:29:23 UTC
free ratting/mining/mission bots

sounds great

.
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-06-08 17:31:04 UTC
Morganta wrote:
game sub = $14.99 USD
PLEX sub = $19.99 USD

its simple, every time you plexsub and destroy a PLEX, CCP makes an extra 5 bucks for a monthly sub.

I can't see how your plan would be more profitable


I'd think that most PLEX are bought with promotions, so I am not sure the surcharge truly applies. They probably are roughly equal.

I DO think that PLEX makes CCP more money, but that is mosttly due to PLEX not being used (destroyed, confiscated, lying in the item hangar of inactive accounts). They also sort of function as a loan, CCP gets the money ahead of time.
Kewso
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-08 17:33:41 UTC
I haven't logged in for almost 6 months before this expansion but my character stayed active and I never payed a dime...

last time I actually paid for Eve was around 2010.

income from afk mining, afk l4 grinding, exploration and then PI as a passive income and of course research

id log in once a month for a moment to swap skills and if needed buy a few plexes or back then gtc's on forum.

but as far as my cash, i quit paying in 2010 so 2 years of free eve for me the last 6 months which i wasn't even playing :P
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#40 - 2013-06-08 17:33:55 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
What I'd like to see is a 250mil ISK smaller sized PLEX. $19 version can be too much, but a $9.99 would be nice.

What PLEX was intended for originally has changed to a means to pay for many items, but the amount for it hasn't scaled for the price and it's new purpose.


i would also support mini plex. you cant get game time with it but you can tsf it for isk.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.