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Why EvE Free to Play Mechanics needs improvment.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2013-06-08 14:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.

So dont come complaining to me saying DIAF EvE will Never be FTP. It is... it has been for a while now.

Even though Plex adds income to CCP it is still FTP for the player who buys it ingame.

I personally pay a sub every month and have no intention of stopping this.

but interesting enough i stopped paying for my alts a while ago.

I also have friends who will save up isk every month so that they can buy a plex esentially playing to have for Free or in other terms Free to Play as long as you play it enough to make it free to play.

But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash and let thier game time expire.

This is no fun and it leads to people leaving the game.

What i would like to see is if you do not have an active sub or a plex running you can still log into the game loose ships do market stuff but you cannot TRAIN skill points and cannot UPGRADE thier clone. So if you get podded you have to get a plex or sub to update the clone.

So this way if you need a little exra time ratting to save up for that plex you can but you loose the ability to train skills untill you buy that plex...

what do you gusy think? should we extend the Free to Play Mechanic for EVE?

edit:
also you would get a special overview stamp of a green money sign... so that way everyone in local would know you are not subbed and would want to kill you to force you to re-sub... it would be a new profession. kill the free loader.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-06-08 14:39:23 UTC
EVE is a subscription game.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Jassmin Joy
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#3 - 2013-06-08 14:42:54 UTC
EvE is not free to play, and never has been.
Someone is always paying for the game time, even if it's not you. you buy a months worth of paid game time for an ingame currency but someone out there still paid for the time,
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2013-06-08 14:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
MeBiatch wrote:
Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.
…except that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play.

Quote:
What i would like to see is if you do not have an active sub or a plex running you can still log into the game loose ships do market stuff but you cannot TRAIN skill points.
That would make it a Free-to-play game, which is a pretty drastic departure from the current subscription-based business model. So how do you propose that they'd make money? Also, you are aware that there was this whole ghost training (training without paying for it) thing a few years back, and that they removed it for a reason, right?
Obunagawe
#5 - 2013-06-08 14:44:19 UTC
Not everyone plays skillpoint-addiction-online.

Most of us.

But not everyone.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2013-06-08 14:45:54 UTC
Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.
Zhade Lezte
#7 - 2013-06-08 14:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
Not going to happen since this literally would make CCP less money.

If you want something close to this then train and sell characters on your third character slot, buy PLEX with the proceeds, and play for rather free on your other two characters. This way CCP gets what they want, you get what you want.
Velarra
#8 - 2013-06-08 14:52:27 UTC
So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#9 - 2013-06-08 14:59:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.
…except that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play.

Quote:
What i would like to see is if you do not have an active sub or a plex running you can still log into the game loose ships do market stuff but you cannot TRAIN skill points.
That would make it a Free-to-play game, which is a pretty drastic departure from the current subscription-based business model. So how do you propose that they'd make money? Also, you are aware that there was this whole ghost training (training without paying for it) thing a few years back, and that they removed it for a reason, right?


true yes someone already has to buy that plex and sell it on the market and this will not change.

As it stands alsong as i have a plex i can play the game and earn enough isk to buy another.

why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game?

People would still be buying plex to either cut the ratting needed for pvp or to activly train sp.

Yeah i know ghost training was removed... but thats a different thing altogether.

one is not playing the game and getting SP. the other is playing the game but not getting Sp.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#10 - 2013-06-08 15:04:18 UTC
People would buy less plexes. Why pay for a 200m SP character when I can have 4 50m characters for free who can do a lot more between them than a single character can?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2013-06-08 15:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Riot Girl wrote:
Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.

…or, more accurately, Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money.
ed: Or do you mean that this would be the effect of the OP's suggestion? If so, then yes, that's why it's a bad idea.

MeBiatch wrote:
why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game?
You mean the way it already works? The question remains: if you start handing out the service people pay for for free, how do you propose that CCP will make money?
Amanda Chelian
#12 - 2013-06-08 15:05:41 UTC
Note how many people have multiple accounts with the current business model. Imagine how many would get more accounts if they only had to pay to accumulate SP. Every single player could have like 20 mining accounts if they so wished.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#13 - 2013-06-08 15:07:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money.

How would CCP make more money from this?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2013-06-08 15:08:38 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money.

How would CCP make more money from this?

See my edit. At first it sounded like you had misunderstood how PLEX work.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#15 - 2013-06-08 15:10:23 UTC
Velarra wrote:
So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts?


you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts.

you only pay for one active training accout but are given up to three...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#16 - 2013-06-08 15:11:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.

…or, more accurately, Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money.
ed: Or do you mean that this would be the effect of the OP's suggestion? If so, then yes, that's why it's a bad idea.

MeBiatch wrote:
why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game?
You mean the way it already works? The question remains: if you start handing out the service people pay for for free, how do you propose that CCP will make money?


the premis of people wanting to purchase plex to train sp. or lazy people like me who dont want to rat for thier pvp isk.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#17 - 2013-06-08 15:13:02 UTC
I wonder if that super you tackled will hang around for you while you relog to switch to your alt.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#18 - 2013-06-08 15:15:58 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Velarra wrote:
So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts?


you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts.

you only pay for one active training accout but are given up to three...

I can't have 9 characters logged in over 3 accounts.
I could have 3 paid accounts and 6 unpaid and do that instead (Although I probably would have 1-2 paid and the rest unpaid).
Cynoalt doesn't need training, but simultaneous login.
Trading alts? Yeah, nice. Boosting alts? Yup yup. PI? Hmm, maybe.
There are probably many more where it's either just as good or much better to have it on an unpaid, untrained account.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#19 - 2013-06-08 15:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
game sub = $14.99 USD
PLEX sub = $19.99 USD

its simple, every time you plexsub and destroy a PLEX, CCP makes an extra 5 bucks for a monthly sub.

I can't see how your plan would be more profitable
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2013-06-08 15:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
MeBiatch wrote:
Velarra wrote:
So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts?

you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts.
…none of which are free. If they aren't paid for, you no longer have access to them or the abilities and services they provide. You're suggestion that you should have access to them without paying for it.

Quote:
the premis of people wanting to purchase plex to train sp. or lazy people like me who dont want to rat for thier pvp isk.
You're still giving away a service for free, which means less money for CCP. How do you propose they make up for it?
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