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Cloakie Griefing Change Yes Or No CCP.

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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#21 - 2011-11-05 20:01:21 UTC
Oh look, another thread about a valid tactic that someone can't understand and counter because they feel entitled to safety, security, and a risk-free game experience.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Mag's
Azn Empire
#22 - 2011-11-05 20:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Ghost of Truth wrote:
The thing is there are actually about 100+ proposals out there right now.Make destroyers against Cloakies,Fuel need for Cloak,Scan module, Scan Subsystem, AFK timer etc etc you name it.
Only one addresses the actual reason for AFKing. All but one aim to nerf cloaks, without a thought for balance.

Both you and Endeavour Starfleet keep avoiding the real issue. CCP have already said local is changing, so let's see what takes it's place shall we. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2011-11-05 23:13:35 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ghost posts like the one I quoted is why it is better to not even worry about asking atm. Some here seriously think that CCPs intentions are to remove local without replacing it with something exactly the same.
The only ones who think that are the ones who are whining about AFK cloakers. That's largely because they don't really understand what it is they're whining about.
Ghost of Truth wrote:
The thing is there are actually about 100+ proposals out there right now.Make destroyers against Cloakies,Fuel need for Cloak,Scan module, Scan Subsystem, AFK timer etc etc you name it.We need to start pushing thru this change for Winter Expansion.

By the way, I realy love Cloakie ships.I just hate the AFKers
The problem with those 100+ proposals is that none of them address AFK cloakers, just cloaking in general. They also all fail to explain what the problem is with AFK cloakers, and instead just mumble incoherently about how cloaking is an issue.

There is, quite literally, only one solution to the “problem” of AFK cloaking: removing local. All other solutions have side effects that break cloaking in general, often without actually addressing AFK cloaking at all.
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-11-06 00:54:14 UTC
Dear sir i am now reporting you to the GMs for griefing i do not pay 15 bucks a month to come on the forums to see you bitchy whiney little posts thus you are effecting my eve forum experience and thus it is petition able

Also if they are afk they cant hurt you or do anything but make you scaired and this you are little more than a boneless chicken box that i get at KFC or nick clegg
Mal Nina
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#25 - 2011-11-06 03:10:46 UTC
There is no AFK cloaking issue in WH space. It is only an issue if you know the guy is there. Lol Face it if he does not show up in local you will go about your business like usual... and will finally be gankable. Otherwise, enjoy spinning in your pos or go mine in hisec and hope goons are not around.

Endeavour Starfleet
#26 - 2011-11-06 05:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Ghost you stated (Sorry I guess I dont understand how to make best use of forum quotes)

Quote:
The thing is there are actually about 100+ proposals out there right now.Make destroyers against Cloakies,Fuel need for Cloak,Scan module, Scan Subsystem, AFK timer etc etc you name it.We need to start pushing thru this change for Winter Expansion.



By the way, I realy love Cloakie ships.I just hate the AFKers



No offense but 90+ percent of those proposals are half baked. As in usually a one line or one paragraph post without the slightest bit of attention to detail.

And many are one sighted by people who recently lost a ship to a cloaker active or no. These seem to have almost no care or actively want to affect all cloaking instead of trying to target the incentive to go afk.

CCP knows an outright silly or half baked idea when they see it.

So we could use more idea topics on the subject. But ones that take hours to write and prepare not 5 mins.

And we need to be patient. There are already ALOT of changes planned for winter 2011 and I personally would not rather they wait a few months and tackle the subject when there is alot more time to fix and refine it away from the launch craziness.

Now that they have done a 180 and focusing on starships again. I think that early next year will be the best chance to tackle this. Yet lets not demand things they cant answer just yet.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#27 - 2011-11-06 11:43:02 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
CCP, now that you put the MWD on to make a good game Eve-n better, I request a definite answer from a guy with the DEV tag.
Will you fix the Cloakie afk tactic,YES/NO?
This is a request, not a proposal, so dont give me the (thread already exists) anwer X


And again with me repeating myself. But first, I need to ask who was the offending cloakie who took a **** in your cereal? Where did said cloakie touch you? How is this affecting you? When are you going to stop crying? What is the point of breaking something that already works as intended?

And the most important question:

Why should I give a **** about your opinion?

Cloaking is one of the few mechanics in the game that is in fact, balanced. You want to decloak a ship? Roving packs of interceptors with drones deployed. Other than that, accept it, the mechanic is balanced.

- Cloakie can't be targetted while cloaked, and it can't target you either

As long as it is cloaked, it is just there. You want to balance cloaking? Make it so a cloaked pilot's name disappears from Local, and you've got a winner. Other than that, eat **** and DIAF.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#28 - 2011-11-06 11:55:13 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
By the way, I realy love Cloakie ships.I just hate the AFKers


Because you are a *****.

If they are AFK, they don't affect you in any way, shape, or form. But you insist on spewing your tears and stupidity on the Forum. Seriously, what mechanic is being used here to affect you? If they are AFK, they can't hurt you, at all, period, end of story.

If you can't take the heat, go back to high sec.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#29 - 2011-11-06 12:04:00 UTC
As long as we're talking about cloaking and such, the best way to fix afk cloaking, and improve the chances of involuntary PvP in nulsec is to remove instant local.

The long story:
I popped out of a wormhole in Oasa the other day in my manticore. Decided to take a look around and see if I could stir some interest. Found a hoard of duders 33 to be exact, in a dead-end station system with over 50 bubbles on the sole entry gate. After abing out of the bubbles, a few guys showed up in assorted HICS, HACs, AFs, and inties.

They had no idea what I was flying.

Any event, my initial scan showed all sorts of juicy targets. But alas, in the time it took to slow boat cloaked out of the bubbles, every single one of them docked, except for the guys mentioned above. Since I'm not a total idiot and don't care to shoot at a Cerberus or Wolf in my SB, I stayed cloaked.

After about 15 minutes, they lost interest. Then half the total population of the system simply logged off. A system with thousands of NPC kills per day completely shut down by one neut in a SB. I didn't even stay for more than an hour.

Seriously? Grow a pair. Fly in fleets. Set a trap. Do something.

But since I know bots don't fight back, I guess I'm not surprised.

CCP, get rid of instant local. More PvP. Less bots.

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Russell Casey
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-11-06 13:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
Vmir Gallahasen wrote:
There are no afk logoff timers and never have been, so logically there's nothing wrong with becoming "unfindeable" and then afk'ing in CCP's eyes



A curious game, the best way to win is not to play.

Soldarius wrote:
As long as we're talking about cloaking and such, the best way to fix afk cloaking, and improve the chances of involuntary PvP in nulsec is to remove instant local.

The long story:
I popped out of a wormhole in Oasa the other day in my manticore. Decided to take a look around and see if I could stir some interest. Found a hoard of duders 33 to be exact, in a dead-end station system with over 50 bubbles on the sole entry gate. After abing out of the bubbles, a few guys showed up in assorted HICS, HACs, AFs, and inties.

They had no idea what I was flying.

Any event, my initial scan showed all sorts of juicy targets. But alas, in the time it took to slow boat cloaked out of the bubbles, every single one of them docked, except for the guys mentioned above. Since I'm not a total idiot and don't care to shoot at a Cerberus or Wolf in my SB, I stayed cloaked.

After about 15 minutes, they lost interest. Then half the total population of the system simply logged off. A system with thousands of NPC kills per day completely shut down by one neut in a SB. I didn't even stay for more than an hour.

Seriously? Grow a pair. Fly in fleets. Set a trap. Do something.

But since I know bots don't fight back, I guess I'm not surprised.

CCP, get rid of instant local. More PvP. Less bots.


You could have been a cyno. P
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#31 - 2011-11-06 14:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
Replace local chat with Region chat that only shows people that have spoken in the last hour, problem solved.


Be nice for null, then you can grief all the bots in one entire region by just saying "Hi" every 61 minutes.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#32 - 2011-11-06 16:27:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost of Truth
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
By the way, I realy love Cloakie ships.I just hate the AFKers


Because you are a *****.

If they are AFK, they don't affect you in any way, shape, or form. But you insist on spewing your tears and stupidity on the Forum. Seriously, what mechanic is being used here to affect you? If they are AFK, they can't hurt you, at all, period, end of story.

If you can't take the heat, go back to high sec.


First of all everybody thinks we are some scared little miners boting all the way.We are not.
Do you think we hide in teh POS?I am actually hunting them.But the little women when they see pvp ships (even a kestrel for gods shake) are" oh noes lets hide!'

I love the guys that outsmart me with valid tactics and fittings and I try to outsmart them the next time .They actually have the guts to play the game and risk their ship.I love cloakers that are Hit and Run and active to the game.

But staying there for 7 days and active for the 30 seconds because you found the serious players Log out and got a noobie mackinaw doesnt make you a PVPer.It makes you a little child with issues.

And deep down you know it

Tthat is why you troll and scream when a discussion is started for this to be Nerfed.Go on, look at all the threads.When Someone says anything about the matter the same 5 people, litlte scared people that will might loose their only way of experiencing PVP show up and derail the matter.An afker has less of a pair than a botter.At least the botters are risking their ships , because if the script sucks, their are dead.A cloakie not so much, because he is one button push from total safety.No gate Jump, No Warp to , no align, just cloak ,go hide and wait to find a little unarmored hulk at 6 am.Who is the little b***ch now?Evil

Well no more.


And how about that ******** 'no Local is a solution'?You think your nerdy whine about 'psycological warfare' will trick others to not see the truth?They are scared sh**less of even jumping a gate, thats why they dont go away.No Local will just give them more advantage of hiding more and getting easy targets.Because their only way of actually PVPing is using the Harry Potter Invisibility Cloak to kill a defensless ship.Thats even worse than high Sec bait can.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#33 - 2011-11-06 17:00:39 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
And how about that ******** 'no Local is a solution'?You think your nerdy whine about 'psycological warfare' will trick others to not see the truth?They are scared sh**less of even jumping a gate, thats why they dont go away.No Local will just give them more advantage of hiding more and getting easy targets.Because their only way of actually PVPing is using the Harry Potter Invisibility Cloak to kill a defensless ship.Thats even worse than high Sec bait can.
No one with any sense of balance, would advocate the removal of local without a package of changes to take it's place.
Cloaking may even change in that package. But if they do make a change to cloaking, WH space needs to be taken into account.

It's called a balanced approach.

But as it stands now you get 100%, risk free, instant intel, without lifting a finger. AFKers simply try to subvert that power.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#34 - 2011-11-06 17:19:44 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
And how about that ******** 'no Local is a solution'?You think your nerdy whine about 'psycological warfare' will trick others to not see the truth?They are scared sh**less of even jumping a gate, thats why they dont go away.No Local will just give them more advantage of hiding more and getting easy targets.Because their only way of actually PVPing is using the Harry Potter Invisibility Cloak to kill a defensless ship.Thats even worse than high Sec bait can.
No one with any sense of balance, would advocate the removal of local without a package of changes to take it's place.
Cloaking may even change in that package. But if they do make a change to cloaking, WH space needs to be taken into account.

It's called a balanced approach.

But as it stands now you get 100%, risk free, instant intel, without lifting a finger. AFKers simply try to subvert that power.



If they fix Cloaking I really wont have an issue with Local gone.But now that would create a Haven for Afkers.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#35 - 2011-11-06 17:50:58 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
If they fix Cloaking I really wont have an issue with Local gone.But now that would create a Haven for Afkers.


You prove a long-standing point I seem to be making more and more frequently on the forums:

- No matter how balanced a fix or an approach to a fix is, *****es gonna *****

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||

Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#36 - 2011-11-06 18:45:50 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
If they fix Cloaking I really wont have an issue with Local gone.But now that would create a Haven for Afkers.


You prove a long-standing point I seem to be making more and more frequently on the forums:

- No matter how balanced a fix or an approach to a fix is, *****es gonna *****



Did you even read the post??
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#37 - 2011-11-06 18:55:57 UTC
And you know they're AFK because you are God and you know everything correct?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#38 - 2011-11-06 19:02:25 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Mag's wrote:
No one with any sense of balance, would advocate the removal of local without a package of changes to take it's place.
Cloaking may even change in that package. But if they do make a change to cloaking, WH space needs to be taken into account.

It's called a balanced approach.

But as it stands now you get 100%, risk free, instant intel, without lifting a finger. AFKers simply try to subvert that power.



If they fix Cloaking I really wont have an issue with Local gone.But now that would create a Haven for Afkers.
This is why threads like this are moot. We simply do not yet know, what changes are being made to local and what package of intel gathering solutions are taking it's place.

I will say this though, I do think cloaks are very balanced at the moment. But this may change, with any intel gathering alterations.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#39 - 2011-11-07 16:32:08 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
If they fix Cloaking I really wont have an issue with Local gone.But now that would create a Haven for Afkers.


You prove a long-standing point I seem to be making more and more frequently on the forums:

- No matter how balanced a fix or an approach to a fix is, *****es gonna *****



Did you even read the post??


Do you even know how to read? Apparently not, because numerous valid points have been made to counter your "point," and you have done nothing to address them except your spewing mindless rhetoric as to why you're right. Related to Drake Draconis perchance? Ignoring content to prove a "point."

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