EVE General Discussion

Hello! First off let me say that though some of what I have to say may come across as negative I am not raging or attempting to blast anything. The point of this thread is to just lay out my point of view and experiences so maybe I get some useful input or viable options to help change so be gentle with us newbies! Oh and I'm sorry for the wall. I didn't mean it to turn out that way so sorry.

I have been playing Eve for about...2 months of so. Not long to be sure. Definitely not long enough to even have the faintest idea of what lies in the darker corners of space. That, however is kind of the point of this thread. But first, a bit of history. When I first started EvE I figured out in the first day or so that this was not a game you could grind to level with. That didn't particularly bother me. I banged through all of the tutorial and career agent missions in short order and set off on my adventures into the great voids of space. Me being a bit a research nut led me to have an understanding about low sec and null etc. So no accidentally wandering into 0.0 for me! Nope. I determined that high sec seemed a bit to kosher for me. Ive always played on PVP servers in every other MMO I have ever played.

I knew that I couldn't do much to help in a big 0.0 fleet brawl ( zero actually) so I figured to get into 0.0, make money, and have a place I could get to know people I should go miner to start. So I used the corp finder, tracked down the biggest 0.0 mining corp I could, app'd and zoomed off to null in my little venture. Big mistake. I made the assumption that I would have the opportunity to at least tag along on fleet ops from time to time in my little tackle Rifter. Could I save the day? Hardly. Could I so SOMETHING? Maybe. The reality of the that assumption would be summed up to me quite clearly in short order. Not welcome. I showed up at every CTA and posted roam in my little Rifter only to be sent packing by the FC. Cant fly a Battleship? Go home.

The problem with going home was that our little mining system kept getting invaded by PL. Sweet! Lets go kill him *runs for his Rifter* NOPE, MUST STAY DOCKED, CORP RULE. Sigh. One clown in a cov-ops camped it for ever and mercilessly hot dropped anyone foolish enough to undock. The corps answer? Dock up and hide. The alliance's answer, you know, the guys who's ships my corp built for free with the minerals we mined non-stop was some where between "meh" and "oh well". Eventually I had enough of staying docked for days while one guy held an entire alliance's production chain hostage. It was boring. So, I packed up my little Rifter and headed back to Jita. After that I discovered I could have SOME fun by running the gauntlet to and from Jita to my home system carrying BPC's, BPO's and skill books for corp mates. My alliance had a lovely gate camp almost perma-setup at a major choke point into null and I tried to join that with my little Rifter but alas... Go home. Then the Eve mails started coming in. "Were keeping track of who is mining what and who is fulfilling our needs and who is not". Now, I get this. The chain needs food. But why would I sit around ducking in and out of dock mining my little rear off (BORING) to provide ships to guys who wont even come defend us? I don't know, but those mails suddenly made me feel like I was paying my monthly so other guys could go have fun on my back and I was stuck in some odd form of digital slavery. Thus the inevitable... I quit the corp.

Thus began the next section of my short saga. PVE content. I spent the next few weeks grinding up my standings to get access to higher level missions. Now, I'm maybe a day from level 4's. Not going to happen though. Gods that was boring too. I wanted to fight! Not shoot lasers at rocks or missiles at unthinking bots. The missions were fun enough, except it seemed like every time I deployed a drone it got shot instantly. My solution? I clearly needed to fly something bigger! So, with a bit of focused training, some PLEX, and a bit of research I landed myself a pretty faction fit CNR. Now, I KNOW my support skills blow and I have no business in such a ship and blah blah blah. Yeah, got it. But, since I'm paying for it, and playing alone who cares?

That lasted a bit. Then, the final month. I haven't undocked in about 30 days. Why bother? I sit for hours watching the recruitment channel looking for a corp I can go pew with that doesn't seem like a handful of weirdos, douche bags or elitist monkeys trying to get rich off the corp tax. Plenty come up too but its always the same..."15m sp min" "40m SP min". Sigh. I tried with a couple and even had one tell me over TS to drop hundreds of dollars in PLEX and buy a good high SP char from the bazaar THEN they would be happy take me. !@#$%^&&* I'm not going to spend that kind of money on a game I haven't even been able to determine if I like it or not!

Its the ultimate catch 22. I don't care if I die but I'm not into replacing 50 mil in implants every time, and it seems very clear due to the top heavy nature of the player base on SP that I'm not going anywhere without them for my first 6ish months. RvB? Yeah, not replacing the implants. Ah but I'll jump clone! Nope. 24 hour CD. I just do not understand what is so horrible about having a newbie in your mighty 0.0 fleet. Oh, I see, I will negatively impact your shiny efficiency rating due to frequently dying from lack of skills that I can not do anything about but keep training and lack of skill in general because I'm new. I have referred 5 people to this game now but I tell all of them. "Sign up, pay your fee, do the tutorial and career missions then quit for the next 6 months except to log in and refresh your training que because no one wants you expect to mine for them" Of course none of them listened. Now? 3 have quit and 2 are doing the same thing I am. Thus the point of view of a handful of newbies. EvE will be fun...one day.

faction warfare is great for frigate / cruiser combat. mostly frigates.

join the militia and find a corp while there.


red vs. blue is great too if they're still around.

Recruitment channel is the worst place to find a corporation.

Don't give up, what you seek is out there. and it's as much fun as you imagine it could be.

I apologize profusely for testing the limitations of your gnat like attention span.

I usually on since I work from home. As a result I tend to keep the client logged in a good chunk of the day.

However, I can safely tell you you got no luck on your first corp/alliance, that happened and still happens to everyone around.
You can't assume all your corp/alliance experiences will be the same just because the recruitment tool lead you to "x" or "y" whatever corp/alliance that is no good.

Newbbies are awesome in fleets, you put a couple of those with more experienced players camping the gates while the large group is doing stuff and newbbies will die a lot but they'll do tons of important stuff, PIN DOW the pesky badies !!
They don't need to make bazillion isk a month so taxes get in, they need to learn the game first and this means help them get the bases of pvp, give them free frigates so they can die again and again and again and still come back to the fight "x" jumps away.

Often those newbies get nice rewards from FC's or players because they did a good job, it's so dam fun to get newbies in your fleet (the moment they learn to listen and stop blahblahing all the time).
Some bad corp/alliance doesn't like them or can't make them play and get the game I'd say it's nice !! -they're creating their own future enemies and I WILL help them get their revenge at some point, some isk and motivation: think how hard you will kick them in the nuts when you'll pin down one of their caps worth billions isk, sweet revenge is sweet.l

I'm sorry to hear that, dude. Keep your chin up. There are good outfits out there, they're just hard to find.

Your old corp sucks. Name and shame please.

Thanks Monk. I actually JUST saw you talking in the recruitment channel like 30 seconds ago. You always say your looking for a "guild" and its funny watching all the feathers get ruffled. They rush to call you a noob and then look at the name and .......

They were not bad guys and ran a successful outfit, it just was not for me. They were never assholes to me, we just did not see eye to eye.

I will just say that you had bad luck going into null. It sounds like you didn't join a particularly newbie friendly organisation (which makes me wonder why they recruited you in the first place) that was quite bad to top it off. Also, joining while getting invaded by PL is pretty much the worst time possible. Not all null alliances are like that however, some of them offer plenty of support for their newbies.

That said, I second the FW suggestion. Plenty of small gang cruiser sized warfare, good isk to be made even by a newer player, no do or die CTAs.