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I want CCP to abandon DUST

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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-06-08 06:33:21 UTC
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
Torakenat wrote:


What facts?


"I know it as a fact" is an expression people without autism use.


Or, in this case, people without facts..
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-06-08 06:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Torakenat wrote:
What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent.


The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail.

Why?

The tethered product doesn't have it's own identity. It's own brand.

It's like Bethesda adding Fallout3 to Skyrim. It wouldn't sell to either market, and probably annoy both.

When CCP makes a PC version, maybe then they can unlink the two, and let DUST develop into it's own brand.

It doesn't need to piggyback onto EvE for EvE players to play it. Fans will play it because they're CCP fans, genre fans or just want to try something different. And from there it grows it's own wings and becomes it's own.

If it existed in 2007 I may have played it then, but Battlefield 2142 got there first, and now I like the brand and play the series (and hoping for BF2143). If DICE added it as a DLC to BF2, I would never have gotten it. Got sick quick of the 1000000000001 modern warfare or WWII games at the time, and wouldn't even give it a second looks. Was there at Wal-Mart one day, and BF2 box and a BF2142 box were side by side. Walked out with BF2142, as that's more interesting.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-08 06:41:12 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Torakenat wrote:
What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent.


The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail.



That's.. not really a fact.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-06-08 06:42:05 UTC
CCP are spending my subscription money on developing features in highsec. As a 0.0 player, I want them to abandon highsec.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-08 06:45:37 UTC
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
I love EVE, I think most of all for it's sandbox. Also because of the space genre. They fit perfectly and there's so much to do with this, my imagination is constantly exploding from it as I know other people's are as having spoken to them over the years. That being said the DUST issue brings up an interesting problem. Even though I love EVE and want CCP to do well with it, everything I know tells me DUST is a failure.

So is it more morally right to support EVE and DUST until it bleeds EVE dry and dies, or to call it out as it is now and ask CCP to put an end to it?

What is your opinion on DUST?

I play EVE.
I don't care about Dust.
I won't play WoD.

But it's too late to whine about it. It's already happen. The money are spent.

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?

Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-06-08 06:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
If there's just a few people on the forums speaking out against it, it really doesn't matter. They say only 10% of the population can think for themselves .. but in EVE I think the number is much smaller. When DUST fails and it will.... you can think of what EVE could have been. It's not like I'm the first person in 6 years to ask CCP to rethink their trajectory, possibly the only one who still bothers.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-06-08 06:45:55 UTC
I'm still hoping Dust leads Eve to something more interesting in station eventually. but abandon Dust..? nope. I wish there was a pc version but that's a different matter.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-06-08 06:46:34 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Torakenat wrote:
What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent.


The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail.



That's.. not really a fact.


Ask Coca-Cola that lessen when they tried to market new Coke as Coke.

Name was there, the taste wasn't, and consumers were irate (the Cola war of the 80s).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Odhinn Vinlandii
Gothic Fleet
#29 - 2013-06-08 06:47:18 UTC
DUST is good, and when all of it's features are turned on, it will be great.

---Seven year EVE bittervet.
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-06-08 06:48:24 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:

But there's a difference between a symbiotic relationship and a parasitic one. DUST will never be able to bring to EVE what EVE is bringing to it.


If its failing then Eve isn't bringing anything to it?

So which is it?


How do you think DUST came about, just curious
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-08 06:52:17 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Torakenat wrote:
What facts? Projections are based on theory and are at best educated guesses. A fact is a tangible idea that can be proven. Since, you cannot prove what the future holds for either product without living it, your statement is false and incohorrent.


The fact is tether a new product to an established product and most will fail.



That's.. not really a fact.


Ask Coca-Cola that lessen when they tried to market new Coke as Coke.

Name was there, the taste wasn't, and consumers were irate (the Cola war of the 80s).


That.. still doesn't make it a fact.
DRGaius Baltar
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-06-08 06:55:14 UTC
Niko medes wrote:
Give it time. Beta is a beta and it has barely been out of launch for a month.

Hell it isn't even in effect in Null yet, lets see what comes of it then.


My friend in the console market time is everything, people get bored quick and there's a lot of competiton out there so CCP cant afford be dicking around for another 4 to 5 yrs on one game trying to figure out how DUST will work.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#33 - 2013-06-08 06:56:22 UTC
Soundwave had a grand vision for integrating flying in space and first person for Eve and DUST is whats leftover after the budget cuts.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-06-08 06:57:25 UTC
One thing that many ppl don't understand is that abandoning Dust now will not help EVE at all.

Because the money is already invested. And even if we don't need this console crap, we should hope that Dust will be successful. Because if it's not, it'll be a huge money loss for CCP, and EVE will be developing even slower. If not closed.

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?

Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-06-08 06:57:33 UTC
Anyway, in the world of people who make projections of this temporal prison we call earth, facts can be derived from present circumstances. DUST is a drain on EVE development and the only reason you aren't angry at it (as you were with WiS) is because your earth lords didn't tell you to be (Mitannit, RaindowJudenIII, whoever, Redditcat).

You know it's true
Cecil Montague
PCG Enterprises
#36 - 2013-06-08 07:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cecil Montague
So far I have seen no proof of anything. Unless you have access to CCP's accounts you cannot know how much money Dust is making let alone conjecture that it is "bleeding" EvE dry. People have cited anecdotal evidence about previous similar experiments that aren't actually very similar, mainly due to the fact that linking two different genres on two different platforms into one game world has never been done before.

CCP is not spending your money on DUST. They are spending theirs. The money they earnt by renting access to their game to the players of EvE. Now if they neglect EvE and do not evolve the game to your satisfaction then by all means make your voice heard. We've just had a major (free) expansion and not once has someone said "Odyssey is crap, it must be Dust's fault" in this thread though. So how about we give it a chance.

Edit: Proof read next time Cecil

"There is no such thing as an effective segment of Totality" - Bruce Lee: The only man with a Chuck Norris killmail.

DRGaius Baltar
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-08 07:08:50 UTC
Lost True wrote:
One thing that many ppl don't understand is that abandoning Dust now will not help EVE at all.

Because the money is already invested. And even if we don't need this console crap, we should hope that Dust will be successful. Because if it's not, it'll be a huge money loss for CCP, and EVE will be developing even slower. If not closed.


Not necessarily, as long as there is a constant revenue stream it wont die
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-06-08 07:09:11 UTC
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:
If there's just a few people on the forums speaking out against it, it really doesn't matter. They say only 10% of the population can think for themselves .. but in EVE I think the number is much smaller. When DUST fails and it will.... you can think of what EVE could have been. It's not like I'm the first person in 6 years to ask CCP to rethink their trajectory, possibly the only one who still bothers.

Quote:
DUST is a drain on EVE development and the only reason you aren't angry at it (as you were with WiS) is because your earth lords didn't tell you to be (Mitannit, RaindowJudenIII, whoever, Redditcat).

You know it's true

Ah yes, the enlightened shepherd has come to awaken us sheeple from our ignorance. Clearly if only we were capable of actually thinking, we would be high-fiving each other and telling op how right they are.Lol
DRGaius Baltar
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-08 07:10:33 UTC
Cecil Montague wrote:
So far I have seen no proof of anything. Unless you have access to CCP's accounts you cannot know how much money Dust is making let alone conjecture that it is "bleeding" EvE dry. People have cited anecdotal evidence about previous similar experiments that aren't actually very similar, mainly due to the fact that linking two different genres on two different platforms into one game world has never been done before.

CCP is not spending your money on DUST. They are spending theirs. The money they earnt by renting access to their game to the players of EvE. Now if they neglect EvE and do not evolve the game to your satisfaction then by all means make your voice heard. We've just had a major (free) expansion and not once has someone said "Odyssey is crap, it must be Dust's fault" in this thread though. So how about we give it a chance.

Edit: Proof read next time Cecil


Well i'll tell you i sure as hell wouldn't pay RL money for virtual items and i work 40 hrs a week. theres no value in it
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-06-08 07:14:05 UTC
Cecil Montague wrote:
players of EVE


Who would probably like that money spent on their hobby rather than some inane, derivative console shooter which is going nowhere.