Market Discussions

And either I've found a couple of market bots, or people REALLY want their buy order to be "on top".

Yes, and yes.

I would be tempted to believe that humans obsessing over their orders would prefer to allow a relatively small order to stay on top instead of mindlessly following it until you nuke your order on the sell orders. Repeatedly.

And someone just cleared out his order, which cost him an extra 100m over what he started with. Sure 100m isn't that much - but that's like me killing a T2 fit T1 Battleship with a T2 fit T1 cruiser.

Keeping your order in pole position is one of the most important thing in market PVP. ( as long as you are buying low and selling high!)

I tried it for a few weeks, (with success I might add), but was bored stupid doing it. Then after a forum post I realised I didn't need to be in pole ALL the time. Fluctuations meant if you left the order for a little while, (and this helped cool the item), you'd get to pole eventually, (if the bidding war ended that is).

More importantly, backing it off a little allowed me to really think about market strategy. Single-mindedly 0.01 isking all orders just added fuel to the fire when a bidding war started. Now I make a judgement by thinking about the volume that has to move before I potentially get pole. If it's bugger-all (in terms of daily volumes), I usually leave it.

I also see players who'd rather stuff the prices for weeks on an item then let any of the other children play. I guess it's PVP but it seems a little dumb if you ask me.

One of these days, CCP is going to say "100 ISK" is not enough to pay for the server load and change it so that changing an order costs you 0.01% of the total value (about 10,000 ISK on a 100M ISK order).

The tears will flow that day.

also about the post above me.

a .01 % markup... Hmm..

Maybe that could be a good idea, but wouldnt it in theory chase away people from playing an aspect of the game called trader?

It would also play right into the hands of Market bots.

If you want to STOP the constant penny wars, and actually attract new paying customers, Dont only crack down on the BOTS, I mean hammer them as publicly and openly as possible, that way new players see that "your on their side"
you want to keep the costs low so they can have "more fun"


I left another game to play the market game in eve.. If "tears" will flow then I will be leaving the game to for any next up and coming game with a market system of any sort.. or no games at all.

thats my peace for that matter.

If the fee charged to change a price was a percentage of total order value rather then a flat 100 ISK, you would see fewer but more meaningful price changes rather then the 0.01 ISK game.

If the fee was 0.01%, you probably wouldn't risk it on a price change of less then 0.20%. For a 100M sell order of 100 items @ 1M each, you'd wait for the price to be at least 2000 ISK higher/lower before paying the 10,000 ISK fee. Rather then nudging it 0.01 ISK up/down every 5 minutes.

It might encourage speculative trading in smaller lot sizes, which would tie up more buy/sell slots, which would result in more alts needing to be created, which might translate into more accounts for CCP.

Much lower then 0.01% (like 0.001%) and it might not have the desired effect, much higher (above 0.1%) and it would probably kill market trading.