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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#141 - 2013-06-07 04:29:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Not a Goon, or even any other kind of nullsec on this char(my main is retired/******** anyway). And I have to say, it's not a PR problem. It's a stupidity problem.

People get ace'd or scammed, and the first thing they think is "Goons did it". Market crashes? Goons did it.

They are a convenient scapegoat for all the ills of the playerbase, because more than anyone else so far, they have "won" at EVE. They can literally do whatever they feel like, and most people can't stop them. Thus, they get hated on by the helpless.


This isn't far off base to be honest, but I was actually speaking to a matter of internal policy. The entire point of Goonswarm is to allow goons to have fun in the spaceship game of eve online in whatever manner they choose and the alliance and furthermore the coalition empowers us to do so. We're literally going to war right now so we can secure enough money for me to faff around other peoples space carelessly in my Cynabal.

We aren't told to do things a certain way or it's the highway, and unlike some of the member alliances of the CFC I'm not made to toe some particular party line. If the entirety of Eve were to turn on us tomorrow and decided they had enough of our bullshit and The Mittani came on coms the next day and drew a line in the sand, absolutely zero people would care if I personally chose not to show up at that line and instead decided to spend my day podding people in Jita with a thrasher while giggling.

Compare this to other alliances who have been known to check the membership of their alliance to see who is online but not in fleet so those people could be kicked out.

Compare this to other alliances who's directorate won't let people post on the Evo forums on their mains. Or order their membership not to read the news sites when things are going bad. Yes it can get that silly in nullsec.

A lot of people note that Goons tend to work in a similar direction, post in a similar manner to forums, and generally behave in a certain way and think that's because we're doing what we're told. They fail to take into account that our organization is based off of an outside entity (The Something Awful Forums) and that for the most part our behavior is on par with one would expect from that august website. It would be the equivalent of wandering up to a biker and saying "You just dress like that because you were told to." while getting all huffy and crossing your arms across your chest without the thought ever entering that the reason he dresses like that is because he's a biker.

That's really a ****** analogy, but I just spend six hours trying to move an entire fleet of ships in my carrier and I'm a bit frazzled.
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#142 - 2013-06-07 04:33:26 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stuff


You are selling Goons in an EVE forum so anyone who were to agree is by default "J4G" and not allowed in Goons.

That's why people find you to be tedious and fullofshit.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#143 - 2013-06-07 04:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Oggat wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stuff


You are selling Goons in an EVE forum so anyone who were to agree is by default "J4G" and not allowed in Goons.

That's why people find you to be tedious and fullofshit.


I'm not "Selling goons" I'm correcting incorrect people on the internet, a long standing tradition of the somethingawful forums. Also it's hilariously easy to get into Goonwaffe, you literally just have to be smart enough to read, and then take the those words that implanted themselves into your brain and turn them into actions.

If you or your friends are one of the J4G's that got rejected it was a failure on your part because you didn't game the most ridiculously easy to game recruitment system known to Eve. Which frankly makes you (or them) a bit of a moron.

Let me help.

1. Register on the SA forums.
2. Read the goonwaffe thread.
3. Do what it says.

If you follow very carefully the things it states within, within a couple of months you too could be angering half of eve just by existing. I mean really at that point you win. You could spend your entire career ratting in YA0, the very next time you wander through highsec someone is going to freak out because you are a goon.

I mean 95% of the J4G's that got rejected were stupid enough to post "HI I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A GOONIE BUDDY HAHA MAKE EVE PLAYERS MAD" in our recruitment thread despite the corpses of other idiots who did the exact thing floating all over the thread, often times on the very same page.

It's almost like:

Make account
Post a lot on account to show you will fit in
Join in three months

Doesn't register at all and they are absolutely sure that they will be the exception.
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
#144 - 2013-06-07 05:55:28 UTC
I hear posting in the FYAD section of SA gets your application processed faster. Just post up your skillpoints, your kill-board and a paragraph or two describing who you are and why you want to join and you're set to go.
Kalpel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-06-07 06:08:14 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.



10/10

would read again!

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Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2013-06-07 06:20:18 UTC
Tags for sec, ship rebalancing, lowsec ore changes, the wardec system, the bounty system, the kill rights system, the crime watch system. Any of this stuff sound familiar? It's headline features in the last few expansions focused on areas other then nullsec. CCP are committed to all areas and play styles in the game if you bother to listening to developers talk. Come on man, you're just being silly
Ghazu
#147 - 2013-06-07 08:31:12 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
For some reason I tend to think that's par for the course.

Guess it's time for the fat lady to sing now.



DMC



barbie lover say what?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#148 - 2013-06-07 09:10:49 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Not a Goon, or even any other kind of nullsec on this char(my main is retired/******** anyway). And I have to say, it's not a PR problem. It's a stupidity problem.

People get ace'd or scammed, and the first thing they think is "Goons did it". Market crashes? Goons did it.

They are a convenient scapegoat for all the ills of the playerbase, because more than anyone else so far, they have "won" at EVE. They can literally do whatever they feel like, and most people can't stop them. Thus, they get hated on by the helpless.


This isn't far off base to be honest, but I was actually speaking to a matter of internal policy. The entire point of Goonswarm is to allow goons to have fun in the spaceship game of eve online in whatever manner they choose and the alliance and furthermore the coalition empowers us to do so. We're literally going to war right now so we can secure enough money for me to faff around other peoples space carelessly in my Cynabal.

We aren't told to do things a certain way or it's the highway, and unlike some of the member alliances of the CFC I'm not made to toe some particular party line. If the entirety of Eve were to turn on us tomorrow and decided they had enough of our bullshit and The Mittani came on coms the next day and drew a line in the sand, absolutely zero people would care if I personally chose not to show up at that line and instead decided to spend my day podding people in Jita with a thrasher while giggling.

Compare this to other alliances who have been known to check the membership of their alliance to see who is online but not in fleet so those people could be kicked out.

Compare this to other alliances who's directorate won't let people post on the Evo forums on their mains. Or order their membership not to read the news sites when things are going bad. Yes it can get that silly in nullsec.

A lot of people note that Goons tend to work in a similar direction, post in a similar manner to forums, and generally behave in a certain way and think that's because we're doing what we're told. They fail to take into account that our organization is based off of an outside entity (The Something Awful Forums) and that for the most part our behavior is on par with one would expect from that august website. It would be the equivalent of wandering up to a biker and saying "You just dress like that because you were told to." while getting all huffy and crossing your arms across your chest without the thought ever entering that the reason he dresses like that is because he's a biker.

That's really a ****** analogy, but I just spend six hours trying to move an entire fleet of ships in my carrier and I'm a bit frazzled.

But it isn't yet time to evac. :)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2013-06-07 19:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Ghazu wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
For some reason I tend to think that's par for the course.

Guess it's time for the fat lady to sing now.



DMC



barbie lover say what?


Barbie Lover?

Hahaha, fail troll as usual. Gotta say you have a lot of nerve trying to cast stones at me,

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


DMC

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Orpheus Sin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2013-06-07 19:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Orpheus Sin
Dear OP

The reason that you are angry is that you were not able to set up sov in Null Sec on your "own terms"? What does that mean? Are you just bad at being a CEO? Didn't have the ability or the time to invest in the game? Did you believe that running an alliance would mean that you would be isolated and/or insulated from other alliances?

EVE is a sandbox,but you are not the only one in the sandbox.
Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
#151 - 2013-06-08 01:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sethose Olderon
Orpheus Sin wrote:
Dear OP

The reason that you are angry is that you were not able to set up sov in Null Sec on your "own terms"? What does that mean? Are you just bad at being a CEO? Didn't have the ability or the time to invest in the game? Did you believe that running an alliance would mean that you would be isolated and/or insulated from other alliances?

EVE is a sandbox,but you are not the only one in the sandbox.


You've missed my meaning completely... Nice troll post though. Blink

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#152 - 2013-06-08 08:44:04 UTC
Orpheus Sin wrote:
Dear OP

The reason that you are angry is that you were not able to set up sov in Null Sec on your "own terms"? What does that mean? Are you just bad at being a CEO? Didn't have the ability or the time to invest in the game? Did you believe that running an alliance would mean that you would be isolated and/or insulated from other alliances?

EVE is a sandbox,but you are not the only one in the sandbox.

Join TEST, they're soloing nullsec.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
flakeys
Doomheim
#153 - 2013-06-08 09:34:34 UTC
TravisWB wrote:


It is true, the end game for Eve is that you become a battle thrall for some malevolent lord in the part of null you are nearest to. .




There is no endgame , just an enormous amount of possibilities to choose from.




We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Orpheus Sin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2013-06-09 12:49:58 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
Orpheus Sin wrote:
Dear OP

The reason that you are angry is that you were not able to set up sov in Null Sec on your "own terms"? What does that mean? Are you just bad at being a CEO? Didn't have the ability or the time to invest in the game? Did you believe that running an alliance would mean that you would be isolated and/or insulated from other alliances?

EVE is a sandbox,but you are not the only one in the sandbox.


You've missed my meaning completely... Nice troll post though. Blink



No. I got the point. You are angry that other people are in your sandbox. You have been playing for seven years trying to make your mark on the game in a meaningful way, and you were not able to do what you wanted because of other people and the politics that come with it.



Xeraphi
Perkone
Caldari State
#155 - 2013-06-09 14:09:09 UTC
I Need PLEX wrote:
floating in space wrote:
You know what would be a fun game mechanic? High-sec wages war on 0.0 with the help of Concord

This would be good, I think we would stand a chance with Concord help and we can add more usable space to the game


Because the tens of thousands of more players there are in highsec compared to 0.0 cant get the job done? They need magical NPC assistance?


Yes the army of miners, noobs and trade alts is gonna do juuust fine against dedicated pvp characters. LMAO!

New target lock death animation problem #1 ^ eye strain and pain Temporary workaround found to one of these.
Bimbi Norris
No You Dont
Gnomes Rising HoA
#156 - 2013-06-09 15:34:52 UTC
i laugh out loud as OP is most certainly more suited for WOW, farewell, goodbye and thanks for all the fish!!!
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#157 - 2013-06-09 16:10:42 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
....

Compare this to other alliances who have been known to check the membership of their alliance to see who is online but not in fleet so those people could be kicked out.

Compare this to other alliances who's directorate won't let people post on the Evo forums on their mains. Or order their membership not to read the news sites when things are going bad. Yes it can get that silly in nullsec.

.....


I keep hearing about that for years now, that there are alliances that won't let their members publicly voice their opinions and put all kinds of pressure on them.
I guess since these poor servants are not allowed to speak up, I still don't know who those people are exactly.

May I invoke the ancient rite of "Name & Shame" and ask for the names of some of those Alliances you were talking about?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#158 - 2013-06-09 16:18:23 UTC
so where do NPC null ghettos like syndicate come into play?

did we just loose eve because we chase fleets and not sov?

why didn't anyone tell us we were the lords and masters of eve?
we only thought we were the lords and masters of POITOT (the only named system in syndicate BTW)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#159 - 2013-06-09 16:20:51 UTC
Orpheus Sin wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
Orpheus Sin wrote:
The reason that you are angry is that you were not able to set up sov in Null Sec on your "own terms"? What does that mean? Are you just bad at being a CEO? Didn't have the ability or the time to invest in the game? Did you believe that running an alliance would mean that you would be isolated and/or insulated from other alliances?

EVE is a sandbox,but you are not the only one in the sandbox.

You've missed my meaning completely... Nice troll post though. Blink

No. I got the point. You are angry that other people are in your sandbox. You have been playing for seven years trying to make your mark on the game in a meaningful way, and you were not able to do what you wanted because of other people and the politics that come with it.

Seems like someone tried to :getin: and was fed a mouthfull of sand

box.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ekhss Nihilo
The Night Watchmen
Goonswarm Federation
#160 - 2013-06-09 16:28:06 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena?


It was called "Release Day." Or something to that effect. Just because "high sec" isn't 0.0, doesn't mean it isn't a "pvp-arena."

Also, clearly my mercenary work in high sec is simply me professing a desire to join a nullsec alliance. My secret fetish for SOV grinding is revealed!


True - war decs kind of blow that one out of the water.

"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius (AD 121-180)