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Dear CCP please explain SP Reimbursement.

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Namasta
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-07 23:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Namasta
Before patch i have BC lvl5. now i have 1 racial BC lvl 5. No SP Reimbursement . Before patch i have to spend few hour and i will able to fly any racial BC. now i must spend about month of game time to do the same for 1 racial BC.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234 as written here: "If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed."
so what i must do to recive SP Reimbursement ?
I dont recive anything.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-06-07 23:06:28 UTC
Well obviously you did have a racial cruiser at 3, and at least one racial frigate at 3 (or higher since you need 4 to train the cruiser).
Having one is not having none.
No reimbursement for you.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2013-06-07 23:07:12 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Before patch i have BC lvl5. now i have 1 racial BC lvl 5. No SP Reimbursement .
Why should you get any SP?

It sounds like you got the BC skill(s) you were entitled to.
Quackers Duckington
Interbellum
#4 - 2013-06-07 23:07:14 UTC
I have the same problem, I have put in a ticket and it has been 2 days with no reply
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2013-06-07 23:09:11 UTC
Quackers Duckington wrote:
I have the same problem, I have put in a ticket and it has been 2 days with no reply

What is the problem you're having, exactly?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#6 - 2013-06-07 23:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
You had one (or more) racial cruiser at 3, correct?

If so, you'll have racial BC 5, for those races. You will not get any reimbursement for the other races, as that's not the way it works.


Quote:
but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all



As in, have no cruiser skills above 2. you had one at 3 or higher.

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Namasta
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-06-07 23:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Namasta
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You had one (or more) racial cruiser at 3, correct?

If so, you'll have racial BC 5, for those races. You will not get any reimbursement for the other races, as that's not the way it works.


Quote:
but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all



As in, have no cruiser skills above 2. you had one at 3 or higher.

i dont have frig and cruiser at 3. why i should not have reimbursement ?
sorry im not nature english writer.
Charlie Jacobson
#8 - 2013-06-07 23:14:12 UTC
You can fly the same things as you could before. You just can't train to the same things as fast as you could've before if you had been smart about it ;)

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Haulie Berry
#9 - 2013-06-07 23:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
I'm pretty sure these fine citizens thought they were going to get 1x BC 5's worth of free SP for each racial cruiser skill they didn't have.

The only way you were getting ANY SP out of this is if you had NO racial cruiser skills at 3. Zero. Nada. Not a single one.

Sounds like you had one racial cruiser at 3.

One is not zero, therefor you do not get SP. Hope this helps.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#10 - 2013-06-07 23:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Namasta wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You had one (or more) racial cruiser at 3, correct?

If so, you'll have racial BC 5, for those races. You will not get any reimbursement for the other races, as that's not the way it works.


Quote:
but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all



As in, have no cruiser skills above 2. you had one at 3 or higher.

i dont have frig and cruiser at 3. why i should not have reimbursement ?



You said you have a racial Battlecruiser at 5. Are you saying you do not have the same racial cruiser at 3 or higher?
(i.e. you have Minmatar Battlecruiser 5. You would only get that, if you have Minmatar Cruiser at 3, 4 or 5)



/If/, and only if, that is the case, put it a petition.


The 'at all', refered to having /no/ racial cruiser skills at 3 or higher. The moment you have one, it doesn't apply.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2013-06-07 23:16:31 UTC
Namasta wrote:
i dont have frig and cruiser at 3. why i should not have reimbursement ?
Since you got one Racial BC skill, presumably you had that race's cruiser skill at 3 or more, or you wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) have been given that Racial BC.

In short, what (if any) cruiser and battlecruiser skills and levels did you have before the patch? Which ones do you have now?
Namasta
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-06-07 23:16:55 UTC
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
You can fly the same things as you could before. You just can't train to the same things as fast as you could've before if you had been smart about it ;)

no now i must spend 3 month to have the same skills as before
Amanda Chelian
#13 - 2013-06-07 23:16:57 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You had one (or more) racial cruiser at 3, correct?

If so, you'll have racial BC 5, for those races. You will not get any reimbursement for the other races, as that's not the way it works.


Quote:
but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all



As in, have no cruiser skills above 2. you had one at 3 or higher.

i dont have frig and cruiser at 3. why i should not have reimbursement ?
sorry im not nature english writer.


Because the reimbursement is only given if you do not have cruiser 3 in ANY of the 4 races. If you have one or more, you are not entitled for any SP, you merely get BC5 in whatever race of cruisers you're able to fly. That is the reason why people have been saying for months that you should get all races' cruiser to level 3 if you have BC5.
Charlie Jacobson
#14 - 2013-06-07 23:17:17 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
I
The only way you were getting ANY SP out of this is if you had NO racial cruiser skills at 3. Zero. Nada. Not a single one.


Exactly. I suppose it could've been used as a kind of clever way to get some faster training in an area you were not remapped for, without actually using a remap. Probably not worth it if you ever intended to get all BCs to 5, though.

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Haulie Berry
#15 - 2013-06-07 23:17:49 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
You can fly the same things as you could before. You just can't train to the same things as fast as you could've before if you had been smart about it ;)

no now i must spend 3 month to have the same skills as before


No, you have exactly the same capabilities that you had before. You also had a year and a half to get the other skills up to 3 if you wanted the rest of the racial BCs.

You failed to take advantage of this, so you did not get them.
GreenSeed
#16 - 2013-06-07 23:18:49 UTC
its not a problem, the rule was clear, "if you have the prereqs for the new BC, you get that racial BC up to the level of your original BC skill", you only had prereqs for one, so you got that. ONLY if you had none, then you get the unallocated sp.

if you were expecting unallocated SP, you had to train BC to any lvl (ideally to 5) while NOT having any Cruiser skill lvled. you would have 1.5m sp reimbursed and no Bc racial skill trained. (i artificially created this situation on a few training alts that will sell for a lot more now. :D)

again, you get only the sp you invested on the skill (1.5m) unallocated, the other 4.5M that would have existed due to the skill split is not yours, you didn't train that sp.

bottom line is, you lost nothing, your 1.5m sp is there. pay more attention to the devblogs in the future.
Namasta
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-06-07 23:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Namasta
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
You can fly the same things as you could before. You just can't train to the same things as fast as you could've before if you had been smart about it ;)

no now i must spend 3 month to have the same skills as before


No, you have exactly the same capabilities that you had before. You also had a year and a half to get the other skills up to 3 if you wanted the rest of the racial BCs.

You failed to take advantage of this, so you did not get them.


no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#18 - 2013-06-07 23:24:00 UTC
Namasta wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Namasta wrote:
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
You can fly the same things as you could before. You just can't train to the same things as fast as you could've before if you had been smart about it ;)

no now i must spend 3 month to have the same skills as before


No, you have exactly the same capabilities that you had before. You also had a year and a half to get the other skills up to 3 if you wanted the rest of the racial BCs.

You failed to take advantage of this, so you did not get them.


no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.



Shame you didn't spend those few hours before then.

It's been made clear, time and again, that this was the way things were going to be.


You've lost no ability to actually fly ships you could fly before. That was the guiding principle of this.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Haulie Berry
#19 - 2013-06-07 23:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Namasta wrote:

no i dont have exactly the same capabilities that i had before.
before i must spend few hours to fly all bc now i must spend 3 mounth of game time and pay time.


How many battlecruisers could you fly before the patch?

How many can you fly after the patch?

The exact. Same. Number.

Prior to the patch, you could have, with a little bit of training, flown the rest. I emphasized that qualifying statement for a reason - that reason being that you did NOT actually have the capability of flying them before the patch.

You still don't, now.

You lost nothing.

You could have trained in less time before the patch, yes. You did not do that, and nobody cares about the hypothetical scenario in which you might have made better choices in the past and only needed to train for a few hours.

You invested your time poorly.

Deal with it.
Namasta
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-06-07 23:26:04 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
its not a problem, the rule was clear, "if you have the prereqs for the new BC, you get that racial BC up to the pay more attention to the devblogs in the future.

there is no dev blog on my language.
as i read http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234
If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.
i have bc 5 i will have sp or bc if my skill at lvl frig /cruiser lvl 3
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