Science & Industry

This new probing mechanism sucks. For many reasons.

If you know me in game I have a reputation for being an expert scout and combat prober. Unfortunately with the new update, I've been handicapped.

1. 8 probes is way too many. I only use 4. 8 probes clutters my solar system map and I'm stuck grabbing the edges of probes when I just want to select a planet or a hostile I'm probing out.

2. Even though I only use 4, it is impossible to just use 4. I'm glad I don't have to launch 1 probe at a time. But REloading 4 probes and launching them now takes about a minute.

3. Cosmic anomalies that display on your solar system backdrop have HUGE diamond shaped icons that clutter my view. I want to dscan but I can't click anywhere in space in some systems because I keep accidentally clicking on the anomalies. I'm forced to go dscan in my solar system map. But when I do that, I CAN'T WARP TO THE ANOMALIES FROM THE SOLAR SYSTEM MAP by right clicking the green dots. I have to close my map and find it in my probe scanner window or out in space spinning my camera around my ship.

4. I would love to probe out that wormhole/cosmic signature but its really hard when I can't IGNORE any of the results. I'm glad there are havens and sanctums in my systems. Really, I am. But I want to be able to ignore those results when I'm trying to probe down a complex/wormhole/enemy ship.

5. I also would love to be able to resize those columns in the probe scanner window instead of having to drag the entire window out to cover my screen. Distance column is way too wide and the fonts are huge. Also, the row heights are way too big. Both on the probe list and the results list.

Another changed I'd like to see that wasn't shipped with odyssey is a change to the directional scanner.
I frequently use google to convert km to AU. I think it would be nice to have another box on the other side of the angle selector on the directional scanner that allowed you to type in an AU amount. The km reading would change to reflect it when you hit the scan button. That way I can more easily ninja probe out hostiles in anomalies and safe spots.

Lolwut?

You just right click and ignore, same as the old system. Not sure what you're on about, here.

Also not sure why people keep putting this **** in S&I.

The new scanning makes it total easymode..

Before:
- Launch Probes one at a time
- spread out to check the system for sigs
- create probe formation
- make size of scan radius proper in menu
- Move probe formation on site
- scan
- make size smaller in menu
- scan
...
- move probes to next probing location
- make them proper size again to find someting
-...


Now:
- launch all probes
- click formation
- move formation to where you want to scan, without a ton of probes cluttering around, just the center needs to be moved.
- drag size ball of one to make them all proper size, and move probes into proper formation locations
- scan
- drag center
- drag size ball
- scan

it's sooo much easier..
No more hasle in looking if there's anything of value in the system, no more having to setup formations, no more having to mvoe the formation and guess where the center should be, resizing it properly and using the menu to resize your scan radius.
All of it can now be done with simple drag and drop. Everyone should now be able to be a pro scanner, or at least able to find something.

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tl;dr version: It's not industry, gtfo.

(( Maybe still handicapped? ))

Try loading only 4 in your launcher before you undock.

Your only handicap is that you haven't spent 20 minutes or less reviewing the changes in any of the guides or videos that are all ready out. Once you do this you'll realize all your complaints are simple things to fix.


Previous system would have taken you 2.5 seconds each probe (2 seconds each, .5 second mashing the launch button) so a total of 10 seconds. then 2 seconds to open the map, 2 seconds for the map to load for a total of 14 seconds.

New system is 1 second to launch 8 probes. While these are automatically launching you save the time of opening / loading the map. total difference is less then the previous version, not 60 seconds. Also unless you setup your additional 4 probes on the other side of the system, they will take exactly the same amount of time as it takes the other 4 probes.

Edit in-fact recalling drones causes them to instantly appear in your cargohold, they don't even go though the process of warping back.

And the rest of your complains are simply turning them off, turning them off/ making filters

So, basic question here: if eight (8) probes is "best" and CCP has designed the probing system around it, why the hell don't they just "fix" the system to use four, and be done with it? Or three? Or five? Saying eight is "best" is wonderful for the ORIGINAL system they created and has been tweaked over the years, but adding more components to do this scanning thing really seems like a band-aid to bad coding to me (I'm a professional software developer).

If you want a "better" system, why on earth REQUIRE a bunch of different pieces to get to the same place you could before with four (I used four with great success prior to the changes)? Adding complexity to make a system easier is just ludicrous.

This. OP is in a roleplaying alliance though, so reputation is gained on different grounds there than along tryhards.

New system is faster due to simultaneous probe radius drop when pinpointing formation.
New system is faster due to on board scan instantly showing sigs on display.

New system is however actually much slower for real high end explorers because of removal of deep probes. This is the actual exploration nerf. Before odyssey you would drop deep probe and refer the signatures based on strenght from spreadsheet to know what's in system. This needed a nerf to make exploring interesting and balanced.

New system in hacking is dull because you just cargo scan the loot and cherry pick instead of treasure hunt hacking in hopes for good loot. Cargo scanning these needs a hotfix IMHO.