Wormholes

Just use cargo scanners to see which cans are worthwile, you can skip all the junk that way.

They didn't reduce the number of cans? Meh!

Can't say I didn't see this coming...

I think (and hope) the idea behind this was to make the whole hacking / analyzing more engaging rather than having a module cycle.

So they made a clickfest instead (yay for PI anno 2011). So I tried it; the first time it was cool. It was new and fresh. 2nd time.. well ok. 3rd time I got annoyed with it. I looked at my overview.. 12 cans to go. Now I am not saying it was especially interesting before, but now it is a tedious clickfest that doesnt require any more brain actictiy than before.

I could maybe accept it if we're talking 5-ish cans / site (like k-space) but having to do 10-15? on several sites? That just aint that much fun.

And for someone engaged in the T3 production being forced into this? Well, let's just say this isn't my idea of fun and engaging.

That is my opinion anyways. (I know others who think it is the greatest invention since the internet, and peace be with them. I am happy they got what they wanted, it is just not for me)

This system just f@cked with us solo ninja farmers. Job well done. But I cant complain, I only farmed some days a week to pay for my two accounts and ships. But its cool as long as I can adapt to this.

I would also like to add to this that day trippers are f@ck if they go alone and not multibox a little more than they do now. Nice!

And after I spent two hours in a relic site I just figured out how to do them.... in a falcon with no specialized rigs and archeology to level 4. Back?

We ran a relic site in a C5 last night. It took us 10-15 minutes to escalate the site and kill everything but the trigger in the first wave. At that point, we brought in a falcon to jam the trigger and a hacker to hack the cans and 2 additional looters to grab the spew containers.

It took almost an hour to hack all 10 cans in the site and the total reward from the cans was just over 350M ISK. The general consensus was that this was an extremely boring hour for everyone except maybe the hacker. We had no way of following his progress in the game until he would announce the spew was coming. Bottom line, the hacking was not worth the effort even for a group that does T3 production.

The current hacking game is a single player mini-game. The design concept of spewing containers to encourage and promote cooperation is a very poor concept. If you want to encourage cooperation, make the hacking game support multiple players. There is nothing engaging or rewarding about sitting next to a can waiting for containers to come flying out.

Given the current design of the hacking game, sleepers should be removed from data and relic sites in wormholes. The loot reward should be adjusted to reflect that it is intended for 1-2 players instead of groups.

Question: We ran the Forgotten Core Data Field which does not have the mechanic where sleepers spawn after the 2nd or 3rd container is hacked. Does anyone know if that mechanic still exist? If so, that is absolutely stupid as you will lose whatever was in that container when the sleepers spawn.

And then here everyone does that. There is no supply and a lot more damand then before. Price skyrockets and it is suddenly worth doing it. Now everyone starts hacking again and supply goes up. And demand goes down. This will even out at a point where there is enough people that find it worthwile to run the sites. And there are enough buyers for the specific price.


And suddenly the economy has adapted, like magic.

In a perfect economy, yes.

But this Eve. It's neither perfect nor real. Way too many players undercut the worth of their own time considering data/relic/sleeper loot "free". Otherwise, you wouldn't have a subsystem set for a particular T3 hull requiring you to produce the one profitable subsystem in the set at a loss when you factor in failure to reverse engineer and uncertainty of which subsystem bpc you'll produce. Typically, you'll have one maybe two subsystems in a set that's profitable only offset by the other two that aren't profitable. There are many examples in T3 production where a subsystem is cheaper to buy than the cost of the components to produce it. That's not even considering time and hassle. I have about 2 dozen of such BPC's laying around. And after trying hard, I never could make it work consistently because I wasn't willing to sell at a loss nor was I willing to produce for an overall profit of <10% or have stockpiles of worthless bpcs and subsystems laying around. I value my time and do industry accordingly.

So, please, tell us again how crap loot in data/relic sites are going to be worth doing?

You have to realize that many of these guys that have run data/relic sites are living in c5 territory. For the effort and manpower they're going to be better off running anoms. Data/Relic sites are going to have to compete with the ability for some of these guys to make over 800mil/hr/pilot running anoms. It's exactly why I don't run Data/Relics and didn't run them when they were radar/mag sites in the area of w-space I inhabit. I can make a whole hell of a lot more running anoms. The time sink required now is just another deterrent. Data/Relic sites will never be worth the effort in the current state unless everyone here is willing and able to pay essentially the same price for a T3 as they would a Vindicator. T3's are soon to be nerfed. My bet is we're looking at the end of T3's as we know it and this is CCP's introduction to such a concept.