EVE General Discussion

In high sec, armor tanked T1 haulers have a huge advantage. If you are just hauling ore and don't need to worry about being ganked, then you can load up all of the low slots with Extended Cargo Mods.

I honestly don't see this as a huge problem. If people flock towards untanked Mark Vs just because they are bigger, cool, suicide gankers will love that, a cheap cruiser can probably take one down before Concord responds.

Utility industrials could be a version? t1 indies with tractor beam bonuses? (not salvager). What about mining gang link bonuses kind of like t1 battlecruisers?

They're not "stealing" anything from you. Like the barges, the indys will have some significant per-level buff from the hull skill. If you were training a hauler, you still have a hauler that can fly all the ships they used to, and that has all the skills needed to do what they do. If you were training a non-hauler just to be able to move some junk, then you had no reason to ever train anything more than Amarr Industrial I, which would get you into a Bestower with 20K m3 cargo hold.

The fact that you can fly an Iteron V with skill level I for the moment is just an artifact; after the rebalance, all the races will all have equivalent ships from skill I, and they will all get equal and significant benefits for their role from skill V.

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Name one hull in EvE that gets no benefit from its designated hull skill. Go ahead, I'll wait while you look for one.

Even the indy ships right now, today, still get the same benefits they always have from the skill. The only difference is that you only need skill I to sit in them. They did not lose anything in terms of the benefit each hull gets from the skill.

Suggesting that the hull skill "won't mean anything" is not just speculation, it's patently stupid. There is no reason to expect the indys won't follow the same pattern of the barge rebalance, and in fact CCP already has said that they will.

Don't forget rookie ships!

It's fairly obvious that the OP isn't familiar enough with this topic to make informed posts. Obviously, pointing out the virtues of the current industrial skills, despite the entry requirement of all industrials to be just skill I, should not be lost on someone with even cursory knowledge of the ship class. What's more, the OP continues to compare the Iteron V's cargo hold as it relates at maximum skills to other ships, not ever realizing that the actual cargo take is significantly less at minimum skill than it is at max skills, and the +20% (over minimum) bonus that the skill applies.

DONT TOUCH MY 50km3 ITERON V with max skills, t2 rigs and t2 expanders.

its the only way hauling in stront to a wormhole has been bearable the last 3 years.

The correct answer is none. However, if they did require Spaceship Command, then that grants 2% agility per level.

I'll give you rookie ships though. Rookie ships require a frigate skill and get no per level bonus from that skill. So that's the example. Rookie ships prove that having an industrial skill to V will "mean nothing" after rebalancing.

the 4th variation could be a war transport weaponized? no bonus for cargo or speed or such, but fitted with 8 UNBONUSED! turrets? to at least look threatening even tho it will still die to a frigate probably.