Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Didn't read the whole thread, that said ...

There was an idea a few years ago proposed by Mcalais (Spelled wrong), I think it was, of something called "mesh". The basic idea was, as I recall anyway, a second set of areas that are close to existing systems but are not accessible via the current jump gate network. The areas them selves would be in static locations, for instance, between Jita and Perimeter, there is an area players could get to by way of using probes to find a rift/hole. From within these new areas, players can travel to other near by gated systems and other un-gated areas.

I use the term "area" so as to distinguish them from existing systems. Maybe some of these areas would have stars, maybe some of them would not.

The holes/rifts/whatever could be semi static, that is to say, they will remain in generally the same area of space, such that players could use the onboard scanner to find them, but will move every 24 hours or so. Let's say from jumpgates. For the Jita/Perimeter example, a player in Jita could go to the Perimeter gate, run the scanner and find the hole to the Jita-Perimeter area. The next day, from within Jita, the player would need to run the onboard to find the hole again. It would not be in the same place, but would still be within 4 AU of the Perimeter gate in Jita.

All these areas are of course lawless and operate under wormhole rules, no law, no sec loss, and delayed local.

To travel out of one of these areas to another area or one of the existing gated-systems, perhaps the "exits" are on the overview or near something warpable where the player would run the onboard scanner. I do realize the idea of this thread is that there is nothing on the overview that is a warpable/celestials, so this is a bit out of whack with that, but ... does everyone need a probe launcher all the time? Just an annoyance IMO for something like this.

Pretty much any reference to wormholes as they exist now somewhat miss the point of Deepspace Regions.

Wormholes are too closed off, inorganic from the standpoint of NPC threats, and really are too exploitable in too many ways. On the other hand, scanning does play a role in wormholes and scanning would be required\rewarded in Deepspace Regions. Scanning for temporal access points could speed up travel immensely, for example. Who knows, scanning could even reveal the location of the equivalent of "Borg HQ" in some .001 % of a chance to be scanned area of a large, remote, Tier 3 Deepspace Region!

In many ways, one of the guiding principles of Deepspace Regions is to "kick out from underneath" every crutch handed to alliances in the last 5 to 6 years. Jump drives are out, jump bridges, remote manufacturing is out, anchorable bubbles, supercaps, etc.

..And then, turn around and give the NPC presence in Deepspace some of those capabilities that had been human crutches or aids to living in space.

I think humans have been "coddled" in the sandbox. I think groups of humans in the sandbox have become political power blocs in csm, these forums, etc...to the point that meaningful and fundamental change to how players interact with space is not really going to happen through non-"out of the box" type thinking.

Eve Deepspace Regions turns every assumption about how current space is and turns it around in a way that hopefully is "kick in the nuts" for the typical "coddled" empire dweller or alliance type in nullsec. Space becomes living, organic, responsive to human presence to the extent that players fear not just other players, but the indigenous npc population as well.

I hope CCP picks up on this thread. The number of "likes" here should indicate that players en masse are receptive to radical reconceptualizations of space in Eve.

I agree with jimmy, also in addition to the likes this has half the views of the sticky commonly proposed ideas lol

Some more idea's for the mix to keep the party going :) (its some futher itterations on proposed ideas and some new ones)

In deep space no one can hear you scream!
How aboud no chat what so ever apart from fleet chat & corp chat with those people that are on the same tier of deepspace as you, to further add to the feeling of remoteness and isolation. (In deepspace no one can hear you scream!) this can then be circumvented by players by fitting a comm array to a modular ship or maybe an anchorable temporary buoy which lets you contact empire/known space, this could have as a downside that you are easier to scan down, and npc's dropping in for a visit.

How to get there:
As on how to get there how aboud a "unstable wormhole" (ignore the wh part its not related to wh space) which can spawn in any area but only lasts for 1 hour (need to act fast if you find one) this will then deposit you somewhere in deepspace. But once you jump through them there is no way back and you will be stuck until you find an exit. the way back could be another unstable hole which will then randomly drop you in a part of known space you dont know ahead of time where this will be, you could get lucky and get deposited in high sec or you could be extremely unlucky and get dropped in alliance held null sec.

Once there:
How i envision it deepspace is an area mostly for solo players and small gangs. This could be done by making all sites runable with small groups of people but also doable alone (as i proposed in my earlier post) and giving no advantage to big fleets what so ever (maybe even debuffs to rewards if you bring in large numbers into a site, ala incursions).
As to the the space itself it shouldn’t be safe be any extend of imagination with environmental threats (large dust clouds which move at high speed and do constant dmg to your shield as small rocks hit it at huge velocity’s, radiation from unstable stars, etc) and other modifiers similar to cataclysmic variables & pulsars. However as to the pvp aspect it should definitely be possible but VERY hard to find other players (think 1 needle in a thousand haystacks and no magnet in sight to help you find it), and lets be honest what would eve be without pvp :)

would like to hear what the rest of you think :)

I have a feeling that creating a massive amount of space might require too many resources for pleasing too few players. I very much doubt that will be a viable option.

CCP on the other hand has communicated that they intend to make space more dynamic. This can make space you haven't visited for a while interesting to explore again. Specifically player activity (or lack thereoff) and the construction of structures should change the nature of a solar system.

Lets face it Eve has become stagnant, boring and predictable, putting out more eye candy projects like new ships, which by the way we don't need will not hold interest for long. We need an injection of new life in the game and Deep Space if done correctly will accomplish that.

This idea is absolutely phenomenal. Expanding space as we know it into a wild, free, harsh, unconquerable frontier which can either be a quick route to profit or a medical clone. Now, with all the speak of not being able to anchor anything out there (which I agree with, as it would help prevent it from being exploited by the "superpowers" in null.

I couldn't help but think of something. A new ship class.

Navigator-class Mobile Survey Station

A capital ship specifically designed for Deep Space.
Designed by the Servant Sisters of EVE with assistance from CreoDron, ORE and Transtellar Shipping

Bonuses:
20% bonus to Cargo Capacity per Level
5% bonus to Shield Resists per Level
10% bonus to Drone Damage/HP per Level (able to support a full flight of small, medium and heavy drones - using them for combat or logistics purposes would be up to the individual pilot)
10% increase to scan strength of probes per level

Role Bonus:
10% bonus to Range/Velocity of Capital Tractor Beam per Level
10% bonus to Fuel Bay Capacity per Level
5% reduction in Fuel Consumption per Level

This ship in and of itself would be a bit of an enigma, as it would have such a specialized role. It would be capable of shield tanking, and utilizing tractor beams as well as the Expanded Probe Launcher. But where it would come in really handy, is if configured properly (utilizing a specialized siege type module), it could be "deployed" and thus allow for ships to dock with it (limited ship sizes) as if it were a mobile station (this feature would only work in Deep Space). During the time frame where it was "deployed" it would be immobile. In the event that it ran out of fuel while "deployed" it would eject the ships in its hangar into space and enter normal configuration again (or just be rendered completely immobile until it was refueled). It would have one refinery slot (which would refine at the tax rate of the corporation) and anything refined after the cargo hold was full would be ejected into space (thus making the pilot attempting to refine have to scoop it into their ship or take what they can).

I understand that a lot of people don't want to see more capital ships, HOWEVER, an idea of this magnitude would require a specialized ship of sorts, which would create more immersion as well-funded exploration teams could stay out longer.

Bump for a good proposed idea.

This is what I was looking for. Constructive criticism is what I was going for, as it was just a base suggestion I pulled out of my ***.

BUMP, looking for Dev input!