EVE General Discussion

LOL -- my "wings" have taken me through more bubbles and gate camps than I can recall (intermittently) during the last 3 years.

Still, your whining -- as the OPs post was referred to -- is a bit hypocritical.

And while T3s are overpowered for these sites, like you said time is money.

I used to run C2s in a drake and SB and it wasn't time efficient, and was in a wormhole in month two, so I'm not risk adverse.

The Tengu has long been deemed to be the premiere PVE ship. Google "best PVE ship" + eve. Now people want to delegate it to a combat ship role even though history shows otherwise.

Besides, I'm more interested in T3s being blocked from 4/10s or combat sites in low sec and can see why people are unhappy about it.

(Though I may be fuzzy on that, what I ran couldn't be done in an Omen -- I thought some of these were 4/10s)

That said, I agree about the 3/10s and new players.

It just seems there are plenty of controls for high sec dwellers, be it war decs, ganking or otherwise.

Adapting is not always the best answer. That's one reason so much stuff in America is made in China ...but I digress.

I'm for people having a good time. It's a game and I don't agree with all the changes in the last year that have catered to this or that crowd. That you do, or at least this one, is fine with me.

I just tend to feel the OP's complaint is as valid as most the counters to it. It was his/her dime and time to train the ship for the use deemed appropriate for the subscriber - one-that fit the paradigm until recently. That the person wasn't taking advantage of the ship's capability is irrelevant.

Yet, you're hanging around :cough: with babies?

In fact this legend became one because of very little factors most people don't want to think about and instead criticize it generally.

First question you ask yourself when playing some game is:"wth can offer me the best compromise as a all-in-one thing so I'm not stuck with for a simple task?"

In eve this answer is quite obvious, but not that obvious after all. If I tell you the absolute all-in-one OP machine is a faction fitted Machariel most people laugh and look at Tengus, that's because they have no clue what they're talking about.
Non the less, faction fitted Machariels and Vindicators and as long as you zombifie yourself doing this the industrial way can easily give you "ticks" of 50M isk

Try that with a Tengu, anoms, and then you'll see at best you can push at 30 with a very expensive faction fit ans zombie is just the first name.

To summarize, most people don't have a clue at all what they're talking about, they read some crap, they saw some stupid video with a guy using full officer/faction fitted Tengu forgetting to add the obvious faction fitted/implanted off grid booster al etc etc and then claim 'Tengus are op".
Well they're never seen what a 500K EHP 1300DPS with point at over 30km Proteus can do, they actually find few or probably any of these in their eve career and there's a reason for this, it's easier in Eve to forget and discuss the real reasons and just brag about legends.

You're bad and you should feel bad.

Kinda depends on the ship and the friends though, no? :D

I can solo a 4/10 in a (old layout) Cyclone with 3 missile launchers, probe launcher, drone module, and cloak in the high rack, one extender for tank with hack and arch mod in mids, and 5 hobgoblins

Took a long time to kill the boss though. Yeah the exploration ship was all I had at that moment.


So to see people running them in T3 says pathetic.

I'm suddenly happy I kept my gila...

I'm certainly guilty of jacking many 4/10's from hisec inhabitants...I have a pile of over 60 8th tier effects from the three weeks prior to odyssey when I resubbed (was about 18bil in revenue if your curious).

I'm actually going to flip the coin and say I approve of CCP blocking t3 in 4/10's. I only looked for these sites for a couple days when Odyssey launched, and there was some rather varied PVP happening in half the sites I went in. It was risky, and it was fun.

I just wish that the presence of signatures was not made so obvious to EVERYONE in the system. Makes it even worse in Null as now all you have to do is d-scan in the narrow direction of a sig and you know EXACTLY what someone is doing lol.

To me it says they're out to win and/or want to do as wide variety of sites as possible. Exploration is pretty populated in some areas, so it's not uncommon to see 2-3 groups landing on a 4/10 at the same time and 2 groups competing for them is the norm. The people who went with the minimalist/cheap options are almost without fail the ones who are the losers of such races and in general their performace is slower and less efficient, meaning less income and increased chance of getting interrupted and losing the site. Since in this particular race speed and efficiency are the deciding factors in success, it only makes sense to use the best tools available to get an advantage over the competition.