EVE General Discussion

Until you can clearly define a problem that it would solve, it will never happen.
Since cloaking itself is a solution to a problem, your biggest chance is to solve that problem first, at which point cloaking becomes a non-issue and doesn't require any change anyway.

So, we should get rid of PI and market orders too? And when someone is cloaked in your system, how do you know they're not sitting there, at their keyboard, laughing about how quick you are to dock up and hide?



Pretty obviously they ARE playing the same game, otherwise you wouldn't be crying about it. It's just that you feel so threatened by seeing someone you don't know in local that you let it affect how you play.

Playing a slight bit of devil's advocate here, i don't like the argument that "they can't do anything, they are afk".

As others have said, you don't know if they are or aren't, it takes no effort for a guy to cloak a cyno alt and minimize it and do something else in game or out. Dual boxing ain't hard. A cloaky in a null system DOES represent a potential threat and does shut down activity in that system because docking/safeing up is the easiest and best option in that case. It's irritating a bit that you can't hunt them down and force them out or kill them.

All that said, the people who always cry about it are the ones who are wrong, period. It's just another obstacle and problem to solve in a game that is about obstacles and problem solving. After 6 years of playing I have developed personal methods for dealing with the situation.

With one character:

Most involve leaving. I started as a mission runner so I keep a jump clone in my old high sec mission hub. And a ship. and ammo lol. One option is to JC to high sec and mission run.

Or I could jump to another clone and run high sec incursions.

Or jump to the clone in low sec and run lvl 3-4-5 missions (if the systems are busy I jump in a cheap drake and run lvl 3s, if I lose it, blah, so what.)

OR I jump to the last clone in Venal and run pirate missions.

Even without cloning around a lot I have options. The high sec mission hub is close to syndicate. i also keep a Cloaky/nullified proteus that still has a drone bay, blasters, active armor rep wth a anti-serpentis tank and is cap stable even with the MWD on and does about 500ish DPS. I take it into Syndicate and run whatever signatures I can find.

HOWEVEr, most times I don't even do that. If a cloaky comes in and camps, I just fit a MWD and cloak to my machariel, fire up my cyno alt, put my cyno alt in a noob ship making it a throwaway scout and off I go into the vast emptyness that is most of null sec and do "free range" anoms and sigs and maybe belt ratting.

But the bottom line is that the cloaky didn't make me stop. Yea, he prompted (not made) me move around a bit, but I'm still making isk with which i will use for pvp ships and free game time while he's literally wasting a subscription locking down one system. That means I win.

The counter to cloaky camping isn't nerfing cloaking camping, it's mobility and creativity. using the tools the game gives you like jump clones and the ability to plex alt accounts and cloaks and MWDs and wormholes to other places etc.


It says a lot about the anti-cloaky afk crowd that they refuse to figure out winning strategies to make cloaky camping worthless (ie once the cloaky campers know people are just moving around still making isk and not dying to hotdrops while they waste game time for no reasons, they will actually do it less). Rather, they dock up and complain in local and on forums and FEED the cloaky campers a victory because cloaky campers don't just win when they hotdrop, they win when you dock.

This crowd is the same as the anti-gank people in high sec, they don't get that reacting the wrong way ENCOURAGES the activity they don't like.

Oh well, sucks to be them.

@OP

Just fk'in read this man and use a little bit of your brains but stop complaining and play the dam game !!

Several reasons why cloak neuts are good:

1-lets you find out who those alts are and which corps/alliances uses them

2-lets you know if those are just lonely wolfs which is very good against lazy people and keeps juices flowing, or real cyno alts, in both cases this is positive to the defender.

3-once spotted you can return the mechanic against them but harm them exponentially harder, land a fleet on their home system take their space and get the crap out of them until they cry like little girls on GD.

Cloaking mechanics and uses are good, people must stop being lazy.

If cloaking were to go on a timer, I want to be able to lock and shoot things while cloaked.

Both are about as probable as the OP becoming sensible, so I guess we're going to be stuck with the current system until forever. As we should.

If they are AFK then no, they are not doing anything. That's impossible. If they're cloaked the amount that they can do is limited pretty much solely to intelligence gathering and planning - they cannot actively engage you, cyno in friends, etc if they are cloaked.

As Jenn rightly points out, their presence represents a potential threat. They are not actively capable of doing anything, but they are potentially capable of doing things. There are numerous things you can do in order to avoid the potential threat, and also numerous things you can do to directly respond to it once it manifests. Jenns post covers a lot of stuff.

Refusal to do any of these things because you simply don't want to put in the effort or don't want to face the risk is your own problem, and not a problem with mechanics. If you want to live in nullsec you HAVE to deal with the potential dangers inherent in this type of space. Refusing to deal with them in anyway and crying to CCP to fix it for you is absurd.

Which is a respectable perceptive even if we start having a longer discussion man to man you'll realize in the end cloaking mechanic or people using this to shut down activities is not a problem at all.

The only problem that might exist at some point is individual perception of threat and personal experience how to deal with those.
Once you get upon the boring thing and start liking this cat/rat's game you become good at spotting who are or not dangerous and how to deal with, in the end you'll finish to react like everyone else not giving a crap about this.

It's just a threat and like any other threat it depends on personal choices how to deal with, some decide to live in fear and make themselves look like fools with arguments right out of fiction, others just take it like it is, a threat and they deal with.

Most PvE content can be done with PvP setups if your nullbears are too scared to do anything with an afk cloaker in your system. Heck, have them fit Warp Core Stabs so they can scoot away if they can't be bothered to be a little cautious and stay aligned. It's not like you instantly die to hotdrops or recon ships. If you die to them, it's not because "afk cloaking is OP/etc", it's because you aren't the sharpest spoon in the shed.

Yes you do.