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#181 - 2013-06-06 23:55:40 UTC
Aralieus wrote:
I'm loving all the omega white knighting males in this thread. From what I've seen there is really not one piece of evidence that can back up CCP's actions on this decision, once again from what I have seen. Just because someone has a youtube channel full of videos that imo suck (I'm mean suck bad) does not make them gud enough imo. kil2 (CCP Rise) earned his position, not because of his gender (if that even matters but apparently it does in some circles) but because he contributed something tangible and productive. Everyone kissing a@@ just because needs to seriously quit and think with your big head, not the little one.


I white knight like a boss, unapologetically. Just ask damsels in distress CCP Punkturis, Trebor Daedhow or Mike Azariah. (So far Trebor's been the only one to put out the "proper" reward. Thanks Treb. Best I ever had. It is true what they say about experience.)

Whenever someone is using specious logic to justify an unwarranted personal attack, I find it difficult to stay silent.

What other CCP hire has required them to provide evidence to support the hire? Not one. That's nuts. Particularly not for a community rep. They don't have to justify hires to the community that way. Even crazier since you can easily check the number of followers to her channel, and even read the comments saying "I started playing EVE because of your videos". There actually is publicly available evidence that she helped CCP for years before even being hired. She did pretty well building a following with amateur self-produced spots. If she does vids for CCP, they can help her raise the production quality.

Even the part were she got frustrated with getting harassment and quit EVE makes sense to me. CCP hiring her, healed that bad publicity and they gained an employee that understands being harassed and can help others deal with it.

As for her being female, not sure I can blame her for that or see that as a problem. She was born that way. Not every female has that many followers on YouTube, and has led that many people to the game. Its not just about her gender, that's an obviously false assertion.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Cilgil Arbosa
R.A.A.
Pandemic Horde
#182 - 2013-06-07 00:09:11 UTC
Lusty Wench wrote:
Odyssey would have been released as a successful expansion, If you had just left out the one glaring screwup.

You could have held your heads high after dealing with the DDoS downtime so well.

As the miners realised that Ice & WH mining wasn't completely stuffed and they just needed to adapt a little. It would've been generally regarded as a good release. Not great like Apoc or anything, but hardly another Incarna.

CCP Fozzie and Rise working their arses off for many months, making good changes after feedback from us about what was good and what was crap. Those 2 have done an outstanding job creating not only goodwill in the forums, but making EVE a place I want to be.

Falling in love with CCP Seagull as she powered through the clearly visible nerves and presented at fanfest like an absolute champion. Not because shes female but because shes got guts. These thing foster goodwill with me, I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I'm sure I'm not alone on this, and they make me regard EVE as my own, these things make me want to keep sending you money.

CCP Peligro, whom I had considered a bit of a turd before fanfest gained multitudes of personal respect from his presentation at fanfest. CCP Soundwave, on the couch, relaxed, you all did so well.

Yet you blew it all with just one post. Actually several posts from CCP staff, but we know who the main offender is.

It just baffles me.

Someone somewhere was thinking, 'well this is all going a bit too smoothly, the playerbase seems a little too quiet, what can I do to mess this up? boot.ini? Eh been done before. $900 jeans? So passee. How about a company wide email? Um, not quite that fearless. Wait a minute, I think I've got something!'


If you imagine Apoc - Incarna on a scale from 10 - 0, I'd probably rate Odyssey about a 6 or 7. It's better than mediocre I think. I'm probably weighting too heavily the minimal downtime, the fact that POSs didn't kill their owners and silly things like that.

However with one failed decision you've knocked 4 points off and now it sits around a 2. All the good and hard work others have done has been undone with just one decision.

I won't be continuing, I'm not getting over it, if anything I'm getting more worked up about it. I'll check in on the forums and news sites periodically to see if the problem still persists, my guess is that I will activate those PLEXs the same day the problem goes away. I have 20 days left on this set of PLEX. I'll use that time to shiptoast and pull my pixels into one location in a station far far away.


I guess the TL;DR is that I'm not comfortable contributing to one of your employees salary.



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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#183 - 2013-06-07 00:17:59 UTC
So fkn sad.

So much hate but the Jelly is clearly flowing between the lines.
I don't understand the poor behavior this community has toward the girl.


Look at it this way - most of you have more in common with her than not.
Example:
Most of you only sleep with men. Big smile


Lady Areola Fappington
#184 - 2013-06-07 00:40:38 UTC
Honestly, had a certain CCP employee not "bucked the trend" about being anonymous regarding past lives, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

In fact, outing a CCP employee's past life can get you in trouble around these parts.

I mean, would we be having any sort of discussion, had the post gone "Hey, I'm CCP GunStorm, the new community rep for DUST. I'm known for my video blogs on games, and being one of the few geek girl gamers in the world. I'm really excited to be on the CCP team!"

Nobody would have said a word.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2013-06-07 00:49:48 UTC
Aralieus wrote:
I'm loving all the omega white knighting males in this thread. From what I've seen there is really not one piece of evidence that can back up CCP's actions on this decision, once again from what I have seen. Just because someone has a youtube channel full of videos that imo suck (I'm mean suck bad) does not make them gud enough imo. kil2 (CCP Rise) earned his position, not because of his gender (if that even matters but apparently it does in some circles) but because he contributed something tangible and productive. Everyone kissing a@@ just because needs to seriously quit and think with your big head, not the little one.


Yeah, 'cos obviously people who disagree are only doing so because they're trying to get laid... that's a pretty stupid argument you got there.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#186 - 2013-06-07 12:27:57 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:

I'm assuming I haven't seen all this relevant stuff but that it was there, but I have more faith in the CCP's HR team to recruit someone appropriate than I have in the forum mobs to decide. I did see some of her opinions, they seemed quite tame. I'm sure I've come across worse on the forums.


Not that you should have more faith in the 'forum mobs' but....

spoken like a true fanboi

Not today spaghetti.

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2013-06-07 12:41:44 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:

I'm assuming I haven't seen all this relevant stuff but that it was there, but I have more faith in the CCP's HR team to recruit someone appropriate than I have in the forum mobs to decide. I did see some of her opinions, they seemed quite tame. I'm sure I've come across worse on the forums.


Not that you should have more faith in the 'forum mobs' but....

spoken like a true fanboi


You just interpret it that way because you disagree with me, which probably says much more about you than it does about me.
Anslo
Scope Works
#188 - 2013-06-07 13:06:09 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
I doubt she got the job by being apathetic about the game. Part of a company's hiring process is normally aimed at finding people who are enthusiastic about whatever they'll be involved in. Whatever remarks she's made in the past are from before she was under any obligation to weigh up how the rest of the community will view her words - she wasn't an employee then.


April 20th-Last known post that was anti-Eve
June 4- Hired

I have a problem believing they changed their mind after months and months of bashing and were suddenly so enthusiastic about it all..

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I'm also not particularly worried about whether she fits the whole "grimdark" thing, either. She's a DUST community rep. Her role is to interact with and foster the DUST community. Let's be realistic, she's not about to somehow singlehandedly fill New Eden with unicorns and rainbows. Even if she wanted to, it's not happening.

No, but as a community rep, she is to bring the concerns and grievances of her community, being the DUSTies. Since she's so pro-HKO, I can see her pushing to make DUST less harsh, less grimdark, etc. Just something I don't like. Eve is what Eve is. And please stop trying to separate DUST from Eve. They are the same thing in the same verse. That was the point of making DUST, to expand the Eve universe and make it one giant thing. That and a LOT of Eve players are on DUST.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#189 - 2013-06-07 13:25:24 UTC
Lusty Wench wrote:


I've been LustyWench on the internet since Quake 1 was the latest and greatest. There's a backstory to it, it wasn't a bad anything, but this isn't the thread for that.


Wait - would that make you the Lusty from Lustymud?

If so - small world...

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2013-06-07 13:52:34 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Delen Ormand wrote:
I doubt she got the job by being apathetic about the game. Part of a company's hiring process is normally aimed at finding people who are enthusiastic about whatever they'll be involved in. Whatever remarks she's made in the past are from before she was under any obligation to weigh up how the rest of the community will view her words - she wasn't an employee then.


April 20th-Last known post that was anti-Eve
June 4- Hired

I have a problem believing they changed their mind after months and months of bashing and were suddenly so enthusiastic about it all..


Maybe, if you were there in the interview room and read her application and CV, you would understand the decision. Or maybe you still wouldn't. But you weren't, so.. good luck dealing with that problem?


Anslo wrote:

Quote:
I'm also not particularly worried about whether she fits the whole "grimdark" thing, either. She's a DUST community rep. Her role is to interact with and foster the DUST community. Let's be realistic, she's not about to somehow singlehandedly fill New Eden with unicorns and rainbows. Even if she wanted to, it's not happening.

No, but as a community rep, she is to bring the concerns and grievances of her community, being the DUSTies. Since she's so pro-HKO, I can see her pushing to make DUST less harsh, less grimdark, etc.


And if the DUST players want unicorns and rainbows, she'd be absolutely right to push those concerns on to CCP. She wouldn't be doing her job if she ignored it.. but IF it became an issue at some point, the problem would lie in the fact that it's what DUST players wanted, because what SHE wants wouldn't be relevant. But anyway, it's all conjecture. Maybe the sky will fall somewhere in the future, but right now it's up there doing fine.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#191 - 2013-06-07 14:15:23 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
I am locking this topic. This has been discussed ad nauseum and does not need to be rehashed once again.

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