EVE General Discussion

Please consider contracting me your belongings if you decide to terminate your subscription.

Also: Level 3 missions pay at least equal to mining and are easily done by 3-4 week old players.

Heh, another unsubbing thread.

Now that is complete BS. 10M ISK/h from lvl3 missions?

I still see a LOT of asteroid belts basically untouched. Stay away from the main hubs and you will find more than enough ore to mine.
No, I dont mean "go to lowsec" or something like that. But the competition is just too high, if you stay nearer than, lets say, 10 jumps of the next trading hub.

I disagree.

Yes, there is a massive over capacity of ice miners in high-sec but these changes WILL work through the system and people will adjust.

It may cause people to spread out

it may cause people to move to low-sec or null sec

it may cause some people to pursue other occupations.

but to my way of thinking this is all good.

Before the patch I was worried that people would migrate from ore mining to ice mining, which would have caused mineral prices to go up. Now I'm seeing ice miners going back to mining ore and I'm much more content that CCP actually did the right thing.

Will check back in a month or so, to see if you've quit.

To be honest I believe you are simple flapping your mouth hole.

No. In high-sec there is a massive overcapacity of ice miners. In systems where ice belts spawn they are mined out in an hour or so and then the next belt spawns 4 hours after that

Which means, and in this I do agree with the OP, that you can't just log-on, undock and go mine ice. it doesn't work like that anymore.

The complaints are coming from people who MUST adjust to this new reality but don't want to.

The solution is obvious.

There is a requirement for a cull.

Culling is the process of removing breeding animals from a group based on specific criteria. This is done either to reinforce certain desirable characteristics or to remove certain undesirable characteristics from the group. For livestock and wildlife alike, culling usually implies the killing of the removed animals.

The word comes from the Latin colligere, which means "to collect". The term can be applied broadly to mean sorting a collection into two groups: one that will be kept and one that will be rejected. The cull is the set of items rejected during the selection process.

The culling process is repeated until the selected group is of proper size and consistency desired.

See also: Eugenics

I'd just like to zoom in on this point for a moment.

There are probably about 1000 high-sec systems many of which don't get an awful lot of traffic. Moreover, the new scanning makes finding "hidden" ore belts trivial and many high-sec systems will contain not only asteroid belts but also hidden ore belts.

Finally, some missions, (IIRC, I seldom run missions) spawn asteroid belts as well, so if you have friends who run missions you may be able to find belts that way as well.

In short. There is ample supply but you might need to move to a less populated area. I suspect that since you were mining ice before that you are trying to mine ore in the same system where you were previously ice mining .... but since many other ex-ice miners will be doing the same, it stands to reason that belts in those system are mined out. People are still trying to adjust to the new state of affairs and it will take some time before all the ice miners find a new niche.

If I could make a suggestion. Take a shuttle and go check out the area around Danyana in Kor-Azor. There are literally 50 asteroid belts within a few jumps from there and it's an area where massive numbers of people don't live. Moreover, it's close to a hub (Amarr) which means it will be easy for you to transport or use courier contracts to have your minerals moved to where you can sell them easily.

The fact that I'm pointing this out to you should, with all due respect, also trigger you to wonder why you didn't think of it yourself. These kinds of changes to the EVE universe demand of us (even casual players) that we think through what the changes mean to how we play the game. A little creativity.... or at the very least more than declaring it broken because you can't keep doing what you did before... is actually something that CCP assumes its player base has.

On average EVE players are awfully damned intelligent and I suspect you are to... so don't let all that grey matter go to waste :)

That said, if you do decide to unsub despite this bit of advice, I would appreciate it if you would contact me in game. I could be interested in purchasing your mining characters.

I actually think the biggest adjustment is yet to come. In high-sec people have started to realise that there is an over capacity of ice miners (even if some of them haven't gotten futher with their thinking than "the ice gets mined out too fast") but in null sec the shortage of capacity hasn't really hit the main stream psyche yet.

Goons are going to war with Test becuase they want Fountain moons......

That's good, but to my way of thinking, Goon economists have missed the easy mode at this stage, which is to control the ice... at least one racial flavour. If there's one alliance in the game with the ability to form a viable ice cartel it will be Goons.