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CCP when can we expect to see cloaking require interaction to stay cloaked?

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Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-06-07 08:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugalbandak
When is see afk cloacker in system , i will do the ******* same , cloack also up , that will teach the *******!!!

Lol , no

Afk cloaking isnt a problem , cause that dude wont do anything, Null is not like highsec its kinda end game and shouldnt be easy , If you rent or be in alliance and you like to rat you should also have a small pvp force , or atleast rat in pvp ships.

im sure you know after time who the cyno alts are and who the afk cloackers are.

in short , i dont think that ccp should change anything , and for local , we have wh space where you dont have local , if you like that you can live inside those
Thats the nice thing of eve , many choices.

My couple of cents

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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2013-06-07 08:15:09 UTC
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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-06-07 08:52:54 UTC
AFK cloaking separates the men from the girls. If the complaints were from players who regularly pvp, and who are used to losing ships and getting their own kills, them maybe I would take these crys more seriously.

But it never is those guys.

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Mrs Management
PSK Industries
#84 - 2013-06-07 08:56:40 UTC
10,000 CPU to fit cloak and give ships that are design to cloak a -99% reduction to cpu usage.

Cloakers Cloak all other ship cannot fit them ..... problem solved.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#85 - 2013-06-07 08:57:56 UTC
"CCP when can we expect to see cloaking require interaction to stay cloaked?"

You can't expect it because CCP have no issue with the way that cloaking currently works and no one has been able to come up with a compelling argument as to why this stance should change.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#86 - 2013-06-07 09:00:07 UTC
Mrs Management wrote:
10,000 CPU to fit cloak and give ships that are design to cloak a -99% reduction to cpu usage.

Cloakers Cloak all other ship cannot fit them ..... problem solved.

Isn't that what happens with covert ops cloaks?

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Mark Androcius
#87 - 2013-06-07 09:01:54 UTC
I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#88 - 2013-06-07 09:02:04 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Title says it all. Lets get busy devs and make this happen soon please.

In the words of the late but great Bartel & James "Thank you for your suppport"


When will we see local require interaction and effort to provide intel?

Until that happens, you cannot make changes to cloaking that aren't hideously unbalanced and little more than coddling bears who have no right being in nullsec
blood spine
Infinity Engine
#89 - 2013-06-07 09:04:20 UTC
This should never ever happen as the person several places above me said HTFU.

but I do agree with the idea of cloaked persons being removed from local until the speak as this adds a sense of danger to places where there is none.

Something like "Ok I am here alone but wait could there be a guy cloaked in here" the cue the paranoia
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-06-07 09:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Make them push a buttan every X minutes like that island show where some people got lost

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#91 - 2013-06-07 09:11:14 UTC
How about we make sitting in a station or pos shield require fuel/interaction minigames/whatever the hell other terrible ideas OP and his ilk come up with?

Would you agree to that? That you get ejected from your pos/station if you run out of fuel or x minutes pass by without interaction? How about we take it a step further and not just eject you from the pos/station, but actively interfere/limit the things you're attempting to do while active (as many of these suggestions have a huge hit on active cloaked activities)
Signal11th
#92 - 2013-06-07 09:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Mark Androcius wrote:
I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.



Really if an alliance is threating to kick you because you lost "your" ship I would tell them to feck off.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2013-06-07 09:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Signal11th wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.

Really if an alliance is threating to kick you because you lost "your" ship I would tell them to feck off.

Agree. At most you have people laughing at you on Jabber.

Well, I think trying to fine people is going a bit far, since losing a carrier is already quite an incentive to not be a moron with a carrier.


For example, if you were an idiot and jump to the VFK beacon and then get hotdropped by BL., one hopes that the entire coalition will see a broadcast linking to your hilarious lossmail on eve-kill.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#94 - 2013-06-07 09:22:03 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.


If you're in an alliance that acts like that then you're in a bad alliance. Nullsec is inherently risky. If an alliance gets all pants-poopy because of that risk and starts kicking people who decide "I'll just live with the risk and get on with what I want to do" then that is their loss - they're losing someone who is playing EVE properly.

There are plenty of corps and alliances that aren't such sad little carebears. Rather than cower in fear in their pos they might do things like ... I don't know, maybe play the game? Bait the other guy? Rat in ships that are a bit more capable for pvp rather than minmaxed pve turds? Have a small fleet set up so they can do things with protection? Actually defend the space they're in? Idk these are all crazy ideas I guess!
Signal11th
#95 - 2013-06-07 09:22:43 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.

Really if an alliance is threating to kick you because you lost "your" ship I would tell them to feck off.

Agree. At most you have people laughing at you on Jabber.

Well, I think trying to fine people is going a bit far, since losing a carrier is already quite an incentive to not be a moron with a carrier.



Perfectly said.

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fairimear
Event Hor1zon
#96 - 2013-06-07 09:27:26 UTC
same day it requires interaction to sit in a pos shield or stay docked in an npc owned station
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#97 - 2013-06-07 09:28:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
There are plenty of corps and alliances that aren't such sad little carebears. Rather than cower in fear in their pos they might do things like ... I don't know, maybe play the game? Bait the other guy? Rat in ships that are a bit more capable for pvp rather than minmaxed pve turds? Have a small fleet set up so they can do things with protection? Actually defend the space they're in? Idk these are all crazy ideas I guess!

There's a funny story. A neutral once came into one of our systems and warped to an anomaly, hoping to catch a tengu or something whith his Rapier.

He ran into a fleet of newbies ratting in rail feroxes.

He died. The end.

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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#98 - 2013-06-07 09:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
If afk cloaking did not have any influence on other players, then noone would afk cloak. Its pretty simple really.

CCP has said its going to take a look at this, so the current mechanic is probably going to be changed. I do not agree with this, but thats irrelevant anyway since I'm not affected.

The reverse tears will definitely be sweet though...XD
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#99 - 2013-06-07 09:35:01 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
If afk cloaking did not have any influence on other players, then noone would afk cloak. Its pretty simple really.

CCP has said its going to take a look at this, so the current mechanic is probably going to be changed. I do not agree with this, but thats irrelevant anyway since I'm not affected.

The reverse tears will definitely be sweet though...XD

Yeah, if it's useful then it probably hurts someone.

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CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-06-07 09:39:42 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Please just read my signature.

Really, it says all that needs to be said.


well.. it's really stupid statement by soundwave then..

my cloaky alt has killed numerous victims, even when afk and coming to check for 1 second... BANG, I was involved.


Tho I support cloak fuel thingy idea.